Do you think that developers could resort to this simple solution while making Civilization 2?
I should change my login to "darkpandora"
Buildings -> | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
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Size 1 | 1/8/0/5 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/2/1/7 | 1/3/2/0 | 0/2/1/7 | 4/0/3/1 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/4/7/1 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/6/1/3 | 1/0/4/2 | 0/7/1/2 | 0/3/8/1 |
Size 2 | 0/5/4/1 | 0/6/8/1 | 0/2/17/1 | 0/4/1/6 | 3/1/8/0 | 0/2/1/10 | 0/7/6/3 | 0/7/5/1 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/2/1/7 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/2/1/9 | 1/5/0/3 | 5/4/2/0 |
Size 3 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/10/1/2 | 0/7/6/1 | 0/5/1/9 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/2/9/1 | 0/9/1/2 | 0/16/2/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/5/7/1 | 0/6/4/1 | 0/7/1/2 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/2/1/8 | 0/4/2/1 |
Size 4 | 3/0/4/27 | 0/6/1/2 | 0/3/1/10 | 0/2/1/15 | 0/1/2/6 | 0/10/6/1 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/8/1/3 | 0/8/1/2 | 2/1/6/0 | 0/3/1/6 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/1/4/6 | 0/10/3/2 | 0/8/2/1 | 0/3/1/2 |
Size 5 | 0/9/4/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/2/1/7 | 5/2/0/1 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/8/1/5 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/10/4/1 | 2/6/0/5 | 2/0/3/4 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/8/20/1 | 0/3/1/7 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/2/1/5 |
Size 6 | 0/2/1/15 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/6/8/1 | 0/4/1/7 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/5/8/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/5/4/1 | 0/7/1/2 | 1/2/0/3 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/2/1/6 | 0/5/1/3 | 3/0/1/8 | 0/4/1/15 |
Size 7 | 0/3/11/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/6/4/1 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/7/1/4 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/3/1/11 | 0/2/3/1 | 3/2/4/0 | 3/0/1/4 | 0/3/4/1 | 5/3/0/7 | 3/17/2/0 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/3/1/11 |
Size 8 | 0/8/3/1 | 0/4/1/7 | 0/9/6/1 | 0/2/1/6 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 1/3/0/2 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 2/5/3/0 | 2/1/0/6 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/4/5/1 |
Size 9 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/2/6/1 | 2/4/0/12 | 4/0/2/1 | 0/3/8/1 | 0/5/1/7 | 0/3/1/10 | 0/11/1/3 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/3/1/2 | 3/0/1/5 | 0/5/2/1 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/4/5/1 |
Size 10 | 0/2/1/12 | 0/4/1/9 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/3/8/1 | 2/0/4/1 | 2/0/1/6 | 0/5/1/7 | 0/5/7/1 | 0/1/5/2 | 0/1/5/4 | 0/4/5/1 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/8/6/3 | 0/3/1/9 | 0/2/1/19 | 0/2/1/6 |
Size 11 | 0/3/7/1 | 0/3/8/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 2/3/4/0 | 0/8/1/7 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/7/2/5 | 5/0/18/1 | 1/8/0/2 | 0/4/10/1 | 2/0/1/4 | 6/1/0/7 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/8/3/1 | 0/9/3/1 | 0/4/1/6 |
Size 12 | 0/11/1/4 | 0/7/1/5 | 1/2/15/0 | 0/6/3/9 | 8/0/2/1 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/13/1/2 | 4/2/0/17 | 0/6/3/1 | 0/15/1/3 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/7/1/2 | 1/4/9/0 | 0/3/4/1 | 0/7/8/1 | 1/0/5/2 |
Size 13 | 0/4/1/2 | 3/0/5/1 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/9/6/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/14/1/6 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/8/4/1 | 0/2/1/8 | 0/9/1/4 | 0/13/4/1 | 1/3/0/5 | 0/18/3/1 | 0/11/7/1 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/2/1/4 |
Size 14 | 0/6/5/1 | 4/5/0/1 | 2/3/0/10 | 0/5/6/1 | 0/2/4/5 | 1/0/6/14 | 0/15/1/3 | 0/10/4/3 | 0/4/5/1 | 0/9/1/4 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/2/11/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/6/1/7 | 0/2/7/1 |
Size 15 | 0/8/1/5 | 0/2/1/7 | 0/4/1/7 | 3/0/4/5 | 0/6/1/3 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/4/1/6 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/14/1/10 | 0/2/3/1 | 3/6/1/0 | 0/5/4/1 |
Size 16 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/10/3/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/8/6/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/11/1/3 | 0/2/1/3 | 1/6/3/0 | 0/8/2/1 | 6/0/3/2 | 3/0/1/4 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/7/1/2 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/4/2/1 |
Size 17 | 0/3/1/10 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/8/1/3 | 3/26/0/5 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/2/8/1 | 0/2/11/1 | 0/8/2/1 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/10/2/1 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/3/1/4 |
Size 18 | 6/0/13/3 | 0/4/7/1 | 0/14/3/1 | 0/4/14/1 | 1/0/3/4 | 0/6/1/3 | 0/3/11/1 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/10/2/1 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 5/0/4/6 | 3/0/2/4 | 0/2/11/1 | 0/12/1/2 |
Size 19 | 1/11/2/0 | 0/3/11/1 | 0/6/4/1 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 1/7/3/0 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/2/1/12 | 0/4/5/1 | 2/0/4/6 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/5/12/1 | 0/5/1/2 | 5/2/0/1 | 3/7/2/0 |
Size 20 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/2/5/1 | 3/1/0/8 | 0/2/1/4 | 1/4/0/2 | 0/2/1/12 | 0/5/1/3 | 6/1/7/0 | 0/9/7/1 | 0/5/1/18 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 8/1/0/2 | 0/13/1/3 | 0/3/1/2 | 2/1/0/8 |
Size 21 | 0/7/8/1 | 0/5/7/1 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/14/1/10 | 0/2/1/10 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/6/1/2 | 2/0/8/5 | 0/2/1/6 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/2/11/1 |
Size 22 | 0/6/9/1 | 0/11/2/1 | 0/2/1/3 | 0/5/3/1 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/6/2/1 | 1/5/0/4 | 2/8/0/5 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 1/0/4/5 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/3/10/1 |
Size 23 | 0/14/3/1 | 0/8/2/1 | 0/7/1/2 | 0/3/2/1 | 1/3/0/6 | 0/3/1/14 | 1/0/4/7 | 0/10/4/1 | 4/3/0/1 | 4/1/17/0 | 0/1/12/3 | 0/14/1/3 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/3/1/8 | 0/3/9/1 |
Size 24 | 0/3/1/6 | 0/7/1/2 | 2/5/0/1 | 0/3/1/9 | 0/4/1/6 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/8/1/5 | 0/5/1/6 | 4/0/1/2 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/3/2/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/10/4/1 | 0/9/1/2 |
Size 25 | 0/11/5/1 | 0/2/1/10 | 0/12/2/1 | 0/14/2/1 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/4/1/5 | 0/10/3/1 | 0/9/1/12 | 0/6/5/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/3/2/4 | 0/4/1/5 | 3/0/1/4 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/6/1/7 |
Size 26 | 0/3/1/5 | 0/2/11/1 | 0/11/4/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/3/1/7 | 0/3/1/15 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/4/2/5 | 0/3/1/9 | 0/6/1/3 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/4/1/8 | 0/9/1/2 | 0/11/3/1 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/2/1/6 |
Size 27 | 0/2/4/1 | 3/0/2/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 1/5/7/0 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/3/1/15 | 0/5/3/1 | 3/0/10/1 | 0/6/1/3 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/3/1/12 | 0/2/8/1 | 0/6/1/3 |
Size 28 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/12/4/1 | 1/4/3/0 | 6/1/0/2 | 5/0/3/4 | 1/0/7/3 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/5/1/13 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/3/4/1 | 0/3/1/12 | 0/1/3/6 | 1/3/0/9 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/4/1/5 |
Size 29 | 0/2/1/12 | 0/1/9/4 | 1/0/7/2 | 0/13/9/1 | 0/4/1/8 | 0/3/11/1 | 0/7/2/1 | 0/4/3/1 | 0/6/3/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/5/3/1 | 0/3/1/12 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/2/12/1 | 0/6/5/1 | 0/3/1/2 |
Size 30 | 7/2/4/0 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/3/1/6 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/6/1/13 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/6/1/15 | 0/4/12/1 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/3/1/12 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/11/3/1 | 0/2/4/7 | 0/6/4/1 | 0/9/5/1 |
Size 31 | 0/4/5/1 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/7/5/1 | 0/4/1/8 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/5/4/1 | 1/0/3/4 | 0/5/3/1 | 0/5/2/8 | 0/1/3/8 | 0/3/4/1 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/3/1/9 |
Size 32 | 0/4/1/8 | 0/2/6/1 | 0/2/1/6 | 0/3/1/15 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/4/2/5 | 0/7/4/2 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/5/4/1 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/13/1/3 | 0/10/1/6 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/2/8/1 | 0/5/1/3 |
Size 33 | 0/3/1/2 | 0/2/1/6 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/10/4/1 | 0/6/1/13 | 1/9/3/0 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/20/1/6 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/3/4/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/9/3/2 | 0/6/1/2 | 3/6/10/0 |
Size 34 | 0/3/2/1 | 3/0/6/1 | 0/3/1/15 | 0/4/2/5 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/20/1/6 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/13/1/3 | 0/5/1/2 | 0/10/1/6 | 1/8/0/4 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/3/1/9 |
Size 35 | 0/3/1/15 | 0/4/9/1 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/9/1/2 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/2/1/5 | 0/2/13/1 | 0/20/1/6 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/13/1/5 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/2/5/1 | 0/2/1/7 | 0/2/8/1 | 2/1/8/0 |
Size 36 | 0/2/7/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/20/1/6 | 0/3/1/12 | 0/5/2/1 | 0/11/1/6 | 0/9/1/2 | 0/4/6/1 | 0/4/3/5 | 3/4/2/0 | 5/0/6/1 | 2/1/0/3 | 0/5/1/2 |
Size 37 | 0/2/5/6 | 0/6/2/1 | 0/4/1/2 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/5/1/2 | 3/1/0/13 | 0/11/1/6 | 0/2/13/1 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/3/6/1 | 0/7/1/6 | 5/0/1/9 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/4/9/1 | 0/5/1/3 |
Size 38 | 0/5/1/3 | 0/4/1/3 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/4/1/7 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/3/5/1 | 0/2/1/9 | 0/11/1/5 | 0/2/1/4 | 0/6/5/1 | 0/5/4/1 | 0/3/8/1 | 2/8/0/3 | 0/6/1/5 | 0/3/1/9 | 0/2/5/1 |
Size 39 | 0/5/1/11 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/2/3/1 | 0/7/4/2 | 0/4/1/7 | 0/2/9/1 | 0/11/1/5 | 0/11/1/6 | 0/2/13/1 | 0/5/1/13 | 0/7/1/6 | 0/13/1/3 | 1/0/3/2 | 0/3/11/1 | 0/3/4/1 | 2/9/1/0 |
Size 40 | 0/3/1/4 | 0/5/2/1 | 0/4/1/7 | 4/0/6/1 | 0/11/1/6 | 0/2/4/1 | 0/4/2/1 | 0/11/1/5 | 4/1/3/0 | 0/2/13/1 | 2/1/0/4 | 0/3/4/1 | 0/8/3/1 | 0/3/1/7 | 0/9/4/1 | 0/6/1/2 |
is there a hack to lower the threshold at which the hut will produce an Advanced Tribe?
currently it will only produce an Advanced Tribe if the "map value" is 13 or greater, whatever that is. is there a table for "map value?"
in practice i can only get an Advanced Tribe on shielded-plains (not empty plains) and straight rivers (not river curves... or maybe it's all about the hidden shield which is either there or not...) update: nope, shielded curved river hut will only give me the 50 coins, even with city view.
still waiting on my TerraForm Key... not that i would use it overmuch for normal play but there are a few scenarios i'd like to play out... even scenarios it for some reason doesn't supply like a map filled with the "game" special resource.
unrelated question: i noticed that i get more food from a city if i irrigate (and possibly railroad) the square before i build it. what is needed for this and what isn't?
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... it seems close to always possible to discover a city (or any other outcome). However, odds seem "locked" when using the save swap trick.
Haha.. Awsome info darkpanda.. (Though I'm a latecomer to thread)
Stupid of implementors to screw seed on showing city, but then again, it's not a multi-player game, so it's no big deal really.
Seeing that a roll of 1 always create a tech, I have been looking at how to get specific techs by getting the second roll to roll appropriately on d72. As most of the interesting techs early on have low numbers, it's way too often you get the lowest one.
Basically, you commonly have a size 1 city with no buildings ('cept maybe palace), so given a name for that city, how many refreshes do one have to do to get 1 for tech and then a good d72 roll. Tedious to figure out having to figure out by manually testing though.
Is that java code that reproduce the algorithm something you could share?
Anyhow, I found another strangety. For a city of size 1 with no buildings (possibly 'cept palace), named pross, I seem to get in one of two seeds depending on some other unknown attribute. Either I'm getting a tech after 8 refreshes, or I get one after 7 or 9 refreshes. I'll have a look at the city view and see if I can see anything different in graphics when it happens to explain it.
This also works to control where a civ starts when you destroy another. The invasion screen when you invade their last city, resets random seed to show the city screen with given name, so it will be the same each time you try it. But when you get into the city screen you can alter the name and enter city view. When you leave the city screen and get a report the civ is destroyed, the new civ will be placed based on the seed you just created.