Greek Elections June 17- the final check - Page 3

Kyriakos · Jun 16, 2012, 04:40 PM

And from the tragic, to the comedic, the "newspaper" known as Bild (some pitiful rag next to which England's The Sun looks like an intellectual document) also published some bilingual (greek/german) article about the greek elections.

I rather like this, btw were not some editors of Bild on trial for harming Greek-German relations some months ago?

Leoreth · Jun 16, 2012, 04:59 PM

Yeah, because you have stupid legal concepts like "insulting the dignity of the Greek nation" or whatever.

Not that I'm defending BILD in any way here. They really are moronic hatemongers without a conscience. Still no reason to put anyone exercising the freedom of press on trial.

Azale · Jun 16, 2012, 05:34 PM

This just in! German newspaper doing its job, more at 10.

Traitorfish · Jun 16, 2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyriakos

Also a note, if you bothered to follow Kronic's link, you would have seen firsthand mentioning in so few words that some people here plan, in pure reactionism, to vote for Syriza, supposedly after this article. I think it answers your weak point about this being in theory a non-issue as things developed.

But sure, just stick to your one-liner.

I got that, yeah. I simply think that "FTD is run by a shadowy cabal of crypto-Bolsheviks conspiring to mobilise the apparently limitless spite of the Greek masses to attain a very slightly more favourable result in future elections" is reaching just a little bit. "Author is daft; commenter are also daft" seems to me a lot simpler, and has the advantage of both satisfying Hanlan's razor and allowing us to avoid the fuss of speculating as to whether the reanimated brain running the cabal is Lenin's or Trotsky's.

Kyriakos · Jun 16, 2012, 09:46 PM

Ok, although i am sure you jest about this being (i mean what is picked out of your witty comment- and i mean that as true- ) the case in regards to Syriza. It is, of course, improbable (to say the least) that foreign centers want anything good for Syriza for Syriza's sake. But it is not as improbable that some do want to mess with the election (which already is messed up). And a win by Syriza, or a very borderline result, would indeed mess things up even more.

On other news: some polls show a 10% vote for Golden Dawn

Lets see what happens. Of course even with 10% they are unlikely to be in government, but it gives them more legitimacy than their previous 7%.

Winner · Jun 17, 2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Leoreth

Not that I'm defending BILD in any way here. They really are moronic hatemongers without a conscience. Still no reason to put anyone exercising the freedom of press on trial.

I don't think that concept should protect tabloids from lobotomising entire nations*. Just saying.

(Edit: so that we're clear, I mean that tabloids contribute a great deal to the overall decrease in intellectual capacity of the society in which they operate. I'd have them banned, or at least severely restricted in the amount of filth they can legally publish.)

Arwon · Jun 17, 2012, 03:12 AM

I dunno about other newspapers but the Economist endorses candidates in most major elections.

kronic · Jun 17, 2012, 04:02 PM

Looks like a surprisingly comfortable win for ND. They could form a coalition with PASOK. Great to see the parties who managed to ruin the country governing Greece once more.

Kyriakos · Jun 17, 2012, 04:06 PM

Although ND won, it is clear that the majority of the voters are against the bail-out in its current form. So they cannot realistically continue the same thing.
I remain cautiously hopeful due to some few quotes by Samaras, and Hollande's position on the bail-out.

The_Tyrant · Jun 17, 2012, 04:36 PM

Greece might actually have a chance at recovery now that the conservatives won.

Leoreth · Jun 17, 2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Tyrant

Greece might actually have a chance at recovery now that the conservatives won.

Yeah, as soon as a party self-identifies as conservative their economic ideas are automatically sound

Do we have seat projections already? These weird extra seats for the leader make percentages rather meaningless.

Winner · Jun 18, 2012, 12:09 AM

So, any chance for a stable parliamentary majority of ND-Pasok?

Cato the Elder · Jun 19, 2012, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Winner

So, any chance for a stable parliamentary majority of ND-Pasok?

Yeah, although they appear to be considering to also take in the Democratic Left for greater stability and legitimacy.

How this is going to play out is going to be very interesting. And very depressing. Economic colonization, ho!

Jun 16, 2012, 04:40 PM	#41
Kyriakos Writer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessalonike, Greece Posts: 20,517	And from the tragic, to the comedic, the "newspaper" known as Bild (some pitiful rag next to which England's The Sun looks like an intellectual document) also published some bilingual (greek/german) article about the greek elections. I rather like this, btw were not some editors of Bild on trial for harming Greek-German relations some months ago? __________________ βῆ δ᾿ ἀκέων παρὰ θῖνα πολυφλοίσϐοιο θαλάσσης· (he walked silently on the edge of the loudly heard wave-breaking sea) Iliad A:34 CivIII my graphics library 28x 1x Decade Award

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Leoreth Knight of Time Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of Heat and Clockwork Posts: 15,015	Yeah, because you have stupid legal concepts like "insulting the dignity of the Greek nation" or whatever. Not that I'm defending BILD in any way here. They really are moronic hatemongers without a conscience. Still no reason to put anyone exercising the freedom of press on trial. __________________ Deep Thought is in everyone and everyone's in deep thought all the time. Play RFC Dawn of Civilization version 1.10 and relive the history of the world! Conquer Iberia as the Moors, dominate Asian trade as the Tamils, or resist colonization as the Kingdom of Kongo.

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Jun 16, 2012, 09:46 PM	#45
Kyriakos Writer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessalonike, Greece Posts: 20,517	Ok, although i am sure you jest about this being (i mean what is picked out of your witty comment- and i mean that as true- ) the case in regards to Syriza. It is, of course, improbable (to say the least) that foreign centers want anything good for Syriza for Syriza's sake. But it is not as improbable that some do want to mess with the election (which already is messed up). And a win by Syriza, or a very borderline result, would indeed mess things up even more. On other news: some polls show a 10% vote for Golden Dawn Lets see what happens. Of course even with 10% they are unlikely to be in government, but it gives them more legitimacy than their previous 7%. __________________ βῆ δ᾿ ἀκέων παρὰ θῖνα πολυφλοίσϐοιο θαλάσσης· (he walked silently on the edge of the loudly heard wave-breaking sea) Iliad A:34 CivIII my graphics library 28x 1x Decade Award

Jun 17, 2012, 03:12 AM	#47
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Jun 17, 2012, 04:02 PM	#48
kronic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,140	Looks like a surprisingly comfortable win for ND. They could form a coalition with PASOK. Great to see the parties who managed to ruin the country governing Greece once more. __________________ De tous les systèmes economiques et sociaux, le capitalisme est sans conteste le plus naturel. Ceci suffit déjà à indiquer qu'il devra être le pire.

Jun 17, 2012, 04:06 PM	#49
Kyriakos Writer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessalonike, Greece Posts: 20,517	Although ND won, it is clear that the majority of the voters are against the bail-out in its current form. So they cannot realistically continue the same thing. I remain cautiously hopeful due to some few quotes by Samaras, and Hollande's position on the bail-out. __________________ βῆ δ᾿ ἀκέων παρὰ θῖνα πολυφλοίσϐοιο θαλάσσης· (he walked silently on the edge of the loudly heard wave-breaking sea) Iliad A:34 CivIII my graphics library 28x 1x Decade Award

Jun 17, 2012, 04:36 PM	#50
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Jun 18, 2012, 12:09 AM	#52
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