obsolete
Deity
It's not some sort of 3:1 ratio.
Have you ever tried to rushbuy.... any chance?
It's not some sort of 3:1 ratio.
if fail gold is nerfed, then you are essentially screwed.
The only thing this line of argument shows is that it's a bad idea to chop a forest to get money with this trick so that you can use the gold to rush buy in the same city. (ignoring Kremlin, of course)Have you ever tried to rushbuy.... any chance?
Yes; that's actually the point. The supposition is that the strategy aspect of the game degenerates somewhat if failing a wonder is actually a pleasing outcome. (and that it's a poorly designed mechanic if people are building wonders specifically for the consolation prize without actually having any interest in the wonder)What if you are actually trying to get a wonder and you fail? You invest a ton of early hammers into the mids and get beaten by one turn, if fail gold is nerfed, then you are essentially screwed. I could see it for national wonders maybe, where you are not competing against anyone to get there first. But regular wonders? Sheesh
The only thing this line of argument shows is that it's a bad idea to chop a forest to get money with this trick so that you can use the gold to rush buy in the same city. (ignoring Kremlin, of course)
If I were snarky, I would use the same (irrelevant) line of reasoning and ask you if you've ever tried building wealth before, if you've ever put a quarry on a marble tile when you didn't have a use for resource, or if you've ever worked a grassland gems tile instead of a grassland horse. (each conversion is worse than trading 1 hammer for 2.75 gold)
(of course, I am snarky, so I said it. )
1 to 2.75 is an extremely favorable ratio for the situation where you need to convert to . Of course one would expect it's not so useful if you're in a situation where you need to convert into . But surprisingly, it's only slightly inefficient -- and might actually be a good move to chop for super fail gold to rush buy in another city. (Or even in the same city if you have the Kremlin!)
well now, that's a silly thing to say. When you need commerce, commerce becomes better. When you need hammers, hammers become better. It's not some sort of 3:1 ratio.
I'm not sure why you're replying to me -- Obsolete's the one who tried to compare the fail-gold conversion rate to rush buying.You are refering to rushbuying as if it was available by the time you are generating the most failgold. But guess what?
That 3:1 is the most directly comparable, but since you brought it up, look at how much , , and/or an additional settler or worker gets you. I'll bet no matter how you value the three, workers and settlers are more valuable than that gold. Same argument applies for using the forests to build units to some extent. The only exception really is: your economy will crash if you don't get the gold NOW.
One hammer is with a little more than 3 gold on average though, so the ratio looks bad even there.
I would NOT rush-buy with gold. EVER. I would NOT trade 3 gold for 1 hammer. It's horribly inefficient.
I'm not sure why you're replying to me -- Obsolete's the one who tried to compare the fail-gold conversion rate to rush buying.
Not the mechanic is poorly designed, it's just that most of the wonders are fckn useless, in fact so useless that the "consolation prize" is much more useful.
Haha, it depends on who the player is. I've had the odd person on the GENERAL area of the forum lecturing me on how over-powered Zeus & Pizza-Chicken area. Apparently they are so over-powered, that after building these wonders, they were able to take it to the next level, and just romp over everyone.
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I couldn't find the merrits to that one without being called an elitist, so what do I know...
Have you ever tried to rushbuy.... any chance?
Maybe they were talking about multiplayer? Only reason I can come up with.
At Marathon/Huge, I NEED GOLD NOW OR I CRASH happens pretty regularly.
You can't just sit on six cities. You need 10 or more.
At those settings the amount of expansion you can do is directly related to the amount of gold you can generate. Other factors like getting blocked in, or not having enough hammers, are generally not applicable.
I would NOT rush-buy with gold. EVER. I would NOT trade 3 gold for 1 hammer. It's horribly inefficient.