Indo-Europeans: mass migration from the steppes into Europe after 3000 BC (new study)

Of course the Domesday Book did NOT provide accurate data for population numbers

That would be an additional problem, yes.

So there is nothing exceptional about it, because similar censuses of homesteads were carried out in much of continental Europe.

Censuses which list heads of households (like the Domesday Book) or simply count homesteads are plentiful before the 19th century.

Errr, no. Just no. On what do you actually base such a statement?

In all countries where property taxes or personal taxes existed, there existed also censuses of homesteads or families.

Again, no. Personal taxes didn't actually exist prior to nation-states, which only emerge in the 19th century.

In Poland-Lithuania for example there was "roof tax" (homestead tax) and "head tax" (personal tax), but the former was more common.

People were taxed for existing, yes. That is not a 'personal tax', however. Personal taxes know no exceptions. Prior to the nation-state nobles weren't generally taxed, nor clergy.

In 2 AD the Chinese census carried out in 103 commanderies and principalities, subdivided into 1314 xian districts, 32 dao marches and 241 marquisates, registered 12,233,062 households with a population of 59,594,978 persons. But the census did not count certain categories of persons and also undercounted the number of households - so John Durand, "Historical Estimates of World Population: An Evaluation", estimated that China had ca. 74 million people in 2 AD.

In any case, that Chinese census of 2 AD was much more accurate than the English Domesday Book.

But just like the English Domesday Book, it also did not count some categories of people and some households and settlements.

The same problem as mentioned above. Because people were taxed (which was what the census was for), but only taxable people were being counted.

However, the Domesday Book only counted heads of households, while the Chinese census counted most of inhabitants.

You just mentioned certain categories were excluded. Making any total popualtion estimate exactly that: conjecture. I seriously have no clue why you continue arguing about this.

What can be these "different ways" in such a simple thing as counting the number of people... ??? :twitch: :huh:

I suggest you take a look at any demography textbook. Failing that, there is google.

If that was the case, then it could only understate the size of population, due to some people (e.g. slaves, homeless, etc.) not being counted.

Resulting in conjecture when it comes to total population estimates. In short, prior to statistics becoming a professional occupation, there was no agreement on what needed counting (other than for taxation purposes, and as you mgiht possibly imagine yourself, taxes differ per country, county, city, etc. This as actually still the case today.) Collecting of data for statistical purpose simply didn't exist.
 
Agent327:

On what do you actually base such a statement?

On all books and sources that I've read.

people were taxed (which was what the census was for), but only taxable people were being counted.
(...)
You just mentioned certain categories were excluded.

All the time you argued that prior to industrialization population density was allegedly always small, while I argued that it was not always the case and listed tax registers as one (not the only!) kind of sources which can be used to prove that - and that was the main point of our argument. Now you admit that censuses for the purpose of tax collecting existed but often excluded certain categories of people, frequently nobility and clergy were not counted. This means that we can calculate or estimate population numbers, but the results in most cases will actually be smaller than actual population size. So how does this support your argument about small population density?

It only further supports my point. If certain categories of people were not counted then population was even larger than according to those registers.

People were taxed for existing, yes. That is not a 'personal tax', however. Personal taxes know no exceptions.

Clergy and nobles were still sometimes being taxed on special occasions.

Clergy was only a tiny portion of the society anyway. And researching the demographics of nobility is actually still easier than researching the demographics of peasants and townsmen, because even if they are often not included in tax registers then still they are overrepresented in sources (and various registers of nobility, etc., exist - because "fake nobles" was not a rare phenomenon so documents saying who was a legitimate noble and who was only pretending to be a noble had to exist).

nation-states, which only emerge in the 19th century.

Nation-state is such a vague concept that I'm not sure what do you actually mean.

The only difference between the 19th century and previous centuries was that the scope of political representation was widened.

But it doesn't mean that states did not serve sovereign nations already long before that.

And the 19th century was by no means the beginning nor the end of the process. Widening the scope of political representation started already in the High Middle Ages and ended in the second half of the 20th century when it comes to the so called "First World", while being still not finished today in the other "Worlds".

Even by the end of the 19th century all women and all poor males (see: property qualification) still had no say in politics, and lacked many other rights.
 
On all books and sources that I've read.

Sorry, that won't do. Perhaps you should review your own comments: only 3 censuses are mentioned for a period of over 1,500 years. How could that possibly provide accurate comparative source material for population estimates? I really suggest you browse through a handbook on demography.

All the time you argued that prior to industrialization population density was allegedly always small, while I argued that it was not always the case and listed tax registers as one (not the only!) kind of sources which can be used to prove that - and that was the main point of our argument. Now you admit that censuses for the purpose of tax collecting existed but often excluded certain categories of people, frequently nobility and clergy were not counted. This means that we can calculate or estimate population numbers, but the results in most cases will actually be smaller than actual population size. So how does this support your argument about small population density?

See above.

It only further supports my point. If certain categories of people were not counted then population was even larger than according to those registers.

Yes. If we had any accurate population data. Which we don't. Not until in the 19th century states started collecting them with any kind of purposeful accuracy.

Nation-state is such a vague concept that I'm not sure what do you actually mean.

Google it.

The only difference between the 19th century and previous centuries was that the scope of political representation was widened.

Again, no. See above.
 
I'm not sure what the recent posts have to do with the topic. The population estimates relevant to OP are before any written records, and based on archaeological work. Anyway, William the Bastard's Domesday Book is a 900-year old census of sorts, and there were censuses 1000 years earlier than that.

Returning to the topic and associated Y-chromosome evidence:

It seems that in the link below R-L11 is called R-L151, and they estimate that it started to spread (TMRCA) around 3000 BC indeed:

http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1b/

The early dates shown at Yfull.com/tree seem off to me. For example, their estimates (31 ky, 28 ky, 22 ky) for the origins of R, R1, R1b respectively seem about 25% younger than estimates based on the Ma'alta boy DNA.

But I don't know how this affects recent clades like R1b-L11/L151, for which yfull.com estimates 3000 BC mrca. Perhaps the best site for such questions is
where some have young estimates, but others estimate R1b-L11 mrca as 6100 BC :hammer2: (But I don't think the L11 expansion in Western Europe can be explained by any archaeological phenomenon earlier than Bell Beaker.)

(The problem with a site like http://www.anthrogenica.com/ is TOO MUCH information. I'm afraid it might take hours of searching to be clear what their consensus is on R1b-L11 date.)
 
I'm not sure what the recent posts have to do with the topic. The population estimates relevant to OP are before any written records, and based on archaeological work. Anyway, William the Bastard's Domesday Book is a 900-year old census of sorts, and there were censuses 1000 years earlier than that.

If you don't follow the discussion, then you would have trouble seeing the relevance. 'There were censuses': not in any useful demographically comparative sense.

And obviously, that archaeological work resulted in written records. Does it allow any conclusion on mass migration, however? That question hasn't been answered, nor actually been gone into.
 
Does it allow any conclusion on mass migration, however? That question hasn't been answered, nor actually been gone into.

Read the OP - in the OP I quoted a scientific paper which concludes that there must have beeen (most likely) a mass migration.

I can see that you have great problems with believing that mass migrations took place in Ancient times. How about some reading:

https://www.stcharlesprep.org/01_pa...s/AP Latin Assignments/HW/The Gallic Wars.pdf

About the mass migration of the Helvetii, as well as associated and allied tribes - from "The Gallic Wars", by Julius Caesar:

Chapter 2
Among the Helvetii, Orgetorix was by far the most distinguished and
wealthy. He, when Marcus Messala and Marcus Piso were consuls, incited
by lust of sovereignty, formed a conspiracy among the nobility, and
persuaded the people to go forth from their territories with all their
possessions, [saying] that it would be very easy, since they excelled
all in valor, to acquire the supremacy of the whole of Gaul. To this
he the more easily persuaded them, because the Helvetii, are confined
on every side by the nature of their situation; on one side by the
Rhine, a very broad and deep river, which separates the Helvetian
territory from the Germans; on a second side by the Jura, a very high
mountain, which is [situated] between the Sequani and the Helvetii;
on a third by the Lake of Geneva, and by the river Rhone, which separates
our Province from the Helvetii. From these circumstances it resulted,
that they could range less widely, and could less easily make war
upon their neighbors; for which reason men fond of war [as they were]
were affected with great regret. They thought, that considering the
extent of their population, and their renown for warfare and bravery,
they had but narrow limits, although they extended in length 240,
and in breadth 180 [Roman] miles.
Chapter 3
Induced by these considerations, and influenced by the authority of
Orgetorix, they determined to provide such things as were necessary
for their expedition ‐ to buy up as great a number as possible of
beasts of burden and wagons ‐ to make their sowings as large as possible,
so that on their march plenty of corn might be in store ‐ and to establish
peace and friendship with the neighboring states. They reckoned that
a term of two years would be sufficient for them to execute their
designs; they fix by decree their departure for the third year. Orgetorix
is chosen to complete these arrangements. He took upon himself the
office of embassador to the states: on this journey he persuades Casticus,
the son of Catamantaledes (one of the Sequani, whose father had possessed
the sovereignty among the people for many years, and had been styled
ʺfriendʺ by the senate of the Roman people), to seize upon the sovereignty
in his own state, which his father had held before him, and he likewise
persuades Dumnorix, an Aeduan, the brother of Divitiacus, who at that
time possessed the chief authority in the state, and was exceedingly
beloved by the people, to attempt the same, and gives him his daughter
in marriage. He proves to them that to accomplish their attempts was
a thing very easy to be done, because he himself would obtain the
government of his own state; that there was no doubt that the Helvetii
were the most powerful of the whole of Gaul; he assures them that
he will, with his own forces and his own army, acquire the sovereignty
for them. Incited by this speech, they give a pledge and oath to one
another, and hope that, when they have seized the sovereignty, they
will, by means of the three most powerful and valiant nations, be
enabled to obtain possession of the whole of Gaul.
Chapter 4
When this scheme was disclosed to the Helvetii by informers, they,
according to their custom, compelled Orgetorix to plead his cause
in chains; it was the law that the penalty of being burned by fire
should await him if condemned. On the day appointed for the pleading
of his cause, Orgetorix drew together from all quarters to the court,
all his vassals to the number of ten thousand persons; and led together
to the same place all his dependents and debtor‐bondsmen, of whom
he had a great number; by means of those he rescued himself from [the
necessity of] pleading his cause. While the state, incensed at this
act, was endeavoring to assert its right by arms, and the magistrates
were mustering a large body of men from the country, Orgetorix died;
and there is not wanting a suspicion, as the Helvetii think, of his
having committed suicide.
Chapter 5
After his death, the Helvetii nevertheless attempt to do that which
they had resolved on, namely, to go forth from their territories.
When they thought that they were at length prepared for this undertaking,
they set fire to all their towns, in number about twelve ‐ to their
villages about four hundred ‐ and to the private dwellings that remained;
they burn up all the corn, except what they intend to carry with them;
that after destroying the hope of a return home, they might be the
more ready for undergoing all dangers. They order every one to carry
forth from home for himself provisions for three months, ready ground.
They persuade the Rauraci, and the Tulingi, and the Latobrigi, their
neighbors, to adopt the same plan, and after burning down their towns
and villages, to set out with them: and they admit to their party
and unite to themselves as confederates the Boii, who had dwelt on
the other side of the Rhine, and had crossed over into the Norican
territory, and assaulted Noreia.
Chapter 6
There were in all two routes, by which they could go forth from their
country one through the Sequani narrow and difficult, between Mount
Jura and the river Rhone (by which scarcely one wagon at a time could
be led; there was, moreover, a very high mountain overhanging, so
that a very few might easily intercept them; the other, through our
Province, much easier and freer from obstacles, because the Rhone
flows between the boundaries of the Helvetii and those of the Allobroges,
who had lately been subdued, and is in some places crossed by a ford.
The furthest town of the Allobroges, and the nearest to the territories
of the Helvetii, is Geneva. From this town a bridge extends to the
Helvetii. They thought that they should either persuade the Allobroges,
because they did not seem as yet well‐affected toward the Roman people,
or compel them by force to allow them to pass through their territories.
Having provided every thing for the expedition, they appoint a day,
on which they should all meet on the bank of the Rhone. This day was
the fifth before the kalends of April [i.e. the 28th of March], in
the consulship of Lucius Piso and Aulus Gabinius [B.C. 58.]
(...)
Chapter 29
In the camp of the Helvetii, lists were found, drawn up in Greek characters,
and were brought to Caesar, in which an estimate had been drawn up,
name by name, of the number which had gone forth from their country
of those who were able to bear arms; and likewise the boys, the old
men, and the women, separately. Of all which items the total was:
Of the Helvetii [lit. of the heads of the Helvetii] 263,000
Of the Tulingi . . . . . . . . . . . 36,000
Of the Latobrigi . . . . . . . . 14,000
Of the Rauraci . . . . . . . . . 23,000
Of the Boii . . . . . . . . . . . . 32,000
The sum of all amounted to . . . 368,000.
Out of these, such as could bear arms, [amounted] to about 92,000.

One Roman mile = 1,481 km. So 240 miles = 355,44 km and 180 miles = 266,58 km.
 
Read the OP - in the OP I quoted a scientific paper which concludes that there must have beeen (most likely) a mass migration.

I read the OP, thanks. No mention of migration being the subject of said study. Must have been most likely? So that would be probable. Still doesn't answer the question if

A new paper on the spread of Indo-European languages in Europe

allows conclusions about mass migration. They're simply quite different topics.

I can see that you have great problems with believing that mass migrations took place in Ancient times.

Not at all. Plenty of migrations have been recorded. But generally there have to be special reasons for mass migration. (As in your quoted excerpt from the Gallic Wars.)

Just as generally do studies about language hardly justify conclusions about mass migration. That would require some additional data from a different discipline. Just as a medical study on, say, ebola leaves little cause to draw conclusions on mushroom growing.
 
No mention of migration being the subject of said study.

Even the title of said study has words "massive migration" in it.

This study describes the genetic effects of the migration of Indo-European speakers.

But that migration can also be traced archaeologically - the spread of material cultures associated with PIE.

Plenty of migrations have been recorded. But generally there have to be special reasons for mass migration

Between 5600 and 5000 years ago there was a period of climate cooling in Europe, the end of the Holocene Climate Optimum. What facilitated those changes was a series of asteroid and comet strikes taking place before 3100 BC (the Sumerians recorded asteroid strikes between 3300 and 3123 BC on cuneiform clay tablet collection known as "the Planisphere"; ancestors of the Olmecs also observed those events, since in Olmec and Mayan calendars year 0 is equivalent to 3114 BC in our calendar).

Stonehenge I (the original astronomical one) was built around 3100 BC, as was Newgrange in Ireland.

From "Rogue Asteroids and Doomsday Comets" by Duncan Steel, 1995:

Quite apart from Stonehenge, many other megalithic sites seem to have been constructed, starting before 3000 BC, by cultures spread across the globe, having no communication with each other, but watching a common sky. ... For example, a Neolithic passage grave at Newgrange in Ireland has a gap in its roof through which the Sun illuminates its main chamber at sunrise on Midwinter Day, or at least it did so 5,000 years ago. ... Why were the ancients suddenly so interested in the sky? Obviously, the special events happening in the sky must have been short-lived phenomena (because the megalith-building phase seems to have sprung up and then receded). ... The precession of meteoroid streams leads to periods of activity only a few centuries long. This gives us a clue."

Around 5600 years ago the climate cooling associated with end of the Holocene Climate Optimum apparently forced the Eastern European hunter-gatherers belonging to R1a and R1b haplogroups to migrate southward into the steppe and to adopt a new lifestyle - represented by the Sredny Stog culture (late phase of the Sredny Stog culture contains the earliest evidence of horse domestication), the Samara culture, the Khvalynsk culture and the Yamna culture (the earliest remains of a wheeled cart were found in the "Storozhova mohyla" kurgan near Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine - associated with the Yamna culture).

Authors of this paper - "Regional population collapse followed initial agriculture booms in mid-Holocene Europe" - calculated that between 6000 and 5600 years ago there took place a demographic boom in most of Europe (the line showing population level in the graph posted below almost reaches the very top of the graph), followed by a dramatic decline to 1/2 of the highest population level, between 5600 and 5000 years ago.

Only when first archaeological cultures associated with PIE speakers expand westward, the population density of Europe starts to rise again:

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131001/ncomms3486/full/ncomms3486.html

 
Pigmentation of Europeans during the last 8000 years:

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/03/13/016477.full-text.pdf+html

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/03/13/016477.full.pdf

Spoiler :
This paper reviews particular genes related to the physical traits and adaptation to the environment, including eye colour, skin pigmentation, hair thickness, vitamin D levels, immune system, body height, lactase peristence and lipid levels (influencing BMI and obesity risk).

Abstract

The arrival of farming in Europe beginning around 8,500 years ago required adaptation to new environments, pathogens, diets, and social organizations. While evidence of natural selection can be revealed by studying patterns of genetic variation in present-day people1-6, these pattern are only indirect echoes of past events, and provide little information about where and when selection occurred. Ancient DNA makes it possible to examine populations as they were before, during and after adaptation events, and thus to reveal the tempo and mode of selection7,8. Here we report the first genome-wide scan for selection using ancient DNA, based on 83 human samples from Holocene Europe analyzed at over 300,000 positions. We find five genome-wide signals of selection, at loci associated with diet and pigmentation. Surprisingly in light of suggestions of selection on immune traits associated with the advent of agriculture and denser living conditions, we find no strong sweeps associated with immunological phenotypes. We also report a scan for selection for complex traits, and find two signals of selection on height: for short stature in Iberia after the arrival of agriculture, and for tall stature on the Pontic-Caspian steppe earlier than 5,000 years ago. A surprise is that in Scandinavian hunter-gatherers living around 8,000 years ago, there is a high frequency of the derived allele at the EDAR gene that is the strongest known signal of selection in East Asians and that is thought to have arisen in East Asia. These results document the power of ancient DNA to reveal features of past adaptation that could not be understood from analyses of present-day people.

Here are some of the genes and alleles studied. I have inserted the links to SNPedia for easy reference. Note that rs7940244 wasn't on SNPedia, but I found a proxy in the same gene.

HERC2 (rs12913832 - eye color)
SLC24A5 (rs1426654 - skin pigmentation)
SLC45A2 (rs16891982 - skin pigmentation)
LCT (rs4988235 - lactase peristence)
NADSYN1 (rs7940244 - vitamin D levels)
FADS1 (rs174546 - LDL cholesterol levels)
EDAR (rs3827760 - hair thickness)
TLR6 (rs7661887 - immune system)

This graph shows the evolution of the various alleles:


The alleles for fair skin are in blue and green. Mesolithic Europeans had dark skin (only a few samples derived for SLC24A5). Neolithic farmers were usually derived for SLC24A5, while Steppe people were derived for both SLC24A5 and SLC45A2.

Blue eyes were very common among Mesolithic Europeans, while Neolithic farmers and Yamna people had mixed eye colours.

Lactase persistence only starting taking off in the Chalcolithic, but underwent a very strong positive selection since then.

Lipid levels constantly increased over time, as if food became progressively scarcer as the population grew.

The gene for vitamin D production has oscillated over time, but it looks like the recent selection has been against increased vitamin D production, probably because people got their vit. D from milk and drank more milk as they became lactose tolerant.

So Western European hunter-gatherers were dark-skinned with blue eyes. Which is a confirmation of findings from the previous study on this subject.

But this one also confirms that the further increase in light skin during the Late neolithic / Bronze age can be attributed to light-skinned Steppe immigrants:

"R1 populations spread genes for light skin, blond hair and red hair":

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#pigmentation

"Light skin was spread by the Indo-Europeans (R1a + R1b haplogroups)":

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ne-was-spread-by-the-Indo-Europeans-(R1a-R1b)

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Hair pigmentation and Y-DNA of people from three Indo-Iranian Steppe cultures (Andronovo + Tachtyk + Tagar cultures):

Hair pigmentation, when known (10 individuals):

blond or light brown - 60% (6 individuals)
brown hair - 30% (3 individuals)
dark brown hair - 10% (1 individual)

Y-DNA haplogroup, when known (10 individuals):

R1a1a - 90% (9 individuals)
C (not C3) - 10% (1 individual) -----> individual with C had dark brown hair

Sources: http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/adnaintro.shtml

Tachtyk: http://s28.postimg.org/yk0dq7659/Tachtyk.png

Andronovo: http://s2.postimg.org/kz2vhilpl/Andronovo.png

Tagar: http://s23.postimg.org/fc9z8n1kr/Tagar.png
 
Immigration from the Steppe is also what made Europeans taller, according to this new paper.

Proto-Indo-Europeans of the Yamna culture were much taller than Neolitihic Europeans:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/03/13/016477.full.pdf

We detect a significant signal of directional selection on height in Europe (p=0.002), and our ancient DNA data allows us to determine when this occurred and also to determine the direction of selection. Both the Iberian Early Neolithic and Middle Neolithic samples show evidence of selection for decreased height relative to present-day European Americans (Figure 3A; p=0.002 and p < 0.0001, respectively). Comparing populations that existed at the same time (Figure 3B), there is a significant signal of selection between central European and Iberian populations in each of the Early Neolithic, Middle Neolithic and present-day periods (p=0.011, 0.012 and 0.004, respectively). Therefore, the selective gradient in height in Europe has existed for the past 8,000 years. This gradient was established in the Early Neolithic, increased into the Middle Neolithic and decreased at some point thereafter. Since we detect no significant evidence of selection or change in genetic height among Northern European populations, our results further suggest that selection operated mainly on Southern rather than Northern European populations. There is another possible signal in the Yamnaya, related to people who migrated into central Europe beginning at least 4,800 years ago and who contributed about half the ancestry of northern Europeans today9. The Yamnaya have the greatest predicted genetic height of any population, and the difference between Yamnaya and the Iberian Middle Neolithic is the greatest observed in our data (Z=6.2, p<0.0001, Extended data Figure 6). This observation is consistent with archaeological evidence that the Yamnaya were taller than populations contemporary to them43.

You may also google the following (or a similar) phrase: "Yamna culture men face reconstructions" / "Yamna culture man".

And you will find out that those ancient Steppe people looked just liked many modern Europeans, especially northern Europeans.

Which isn't surprising in the light of new findings that they contributed a significant % of ancestry to modern Europeans.

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ScienceDaily has also published on this topic:

"Genetic study revives debate on origin and expansion of Indo-European languages in Europe":

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150304075334.htm

Researchers have identified a massive migration of Kurgan populations (Yamna culture) which went from the Russian steppes to the center of Europe some 4,500 years ago, favoring the expansion of Indo-European languages throughout the continent.

(...)

At the same time, data indicates that, contrary to the dominant view in recent decades, today's European populations do not descend only from the first hunters-gatherers and from the people arriving during the Neolithic expansion of the Near East.

The research demonstrates that Eastern and Western European populations followed different paths 8,000 to 5,000 years ago, and that they did not come into contact with each other until 4,500 years ago, when the populations of Eastern Europe associated with the Corded Ware culture settled into a large part of Central Europe. These populations have been proved to be genetically very similar to individuals buried in the Yamna kurgans found to the north of the Black Sea (currently Russia and Ukraine), and very different to the Palaeolithic and Neolithic populations of Western Europe.

Researchers observed that the lineage of Corded Ware culture individuals in Germany matched in more than 75% that of the Yamna populations. This would imply the occurrence of a massive migration of men and women from herder societies of the North Pontic steppe towards Central Europe. This genetic link exists in Central European samples dating back 3,000 years ago the furthest DNA samples go back until now), and can still be found among today's European population. While in Northern and Central Europe this link represents around 50% of the current gene pool, the percentage in the Iberian Peninsula is of approximately 25%.

"Although ancient DNA tests cannot inform about the language spoken by the prehistoric humans analysed, the magnitude of the migratory movement would also have implied a language change. If what the genetic data states is true, and these populations live on, they must have contributed to the formation of the Indo-European languages spoken today in Europe," explains Roberto Risch.

The research also determines that before the migration of the Yamna herders, the first European farmers in Hungary, Germany and the Iberian Peninsula were genetically very homogeneous, and that the more primitive hunter-gatherer societies living in Europe did not immediately disappear; they reappeared genetically some 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. During that same period, the Yamna herders descended from the hunter-gatherer societies of Eastern Europe and from an ancestral population of the Near East.

The work, led by geneticists Wolfgang Haak from the University of Adelaide, Australia; Kurt Alt from the University of Mainz, Germany; and David Reich and Losif Lazaridis from the Harvard Medical School in Boston, represents the largest genetic study conducted to date.

Researchers studied the ancient genome of 69 Eurasian individuals dating back 8,000 to 3,000 years ago, and used new techniques on the key positions of nuclear DNA, which allowed them to study twice as many ancient nuclear DNA samples from Europe and Asia than those in previous studies and conduct precise estimations on the proportion of genetic mixture in individuals.

By adding to this database the already published results of another 25 individuals it was possible to create a statistical model of the genetic proximity of 94 prehistoric women and men.
 
OK, so - when it comes to this:

1) Polygamy. Unlike women, men are not limited in the number of children they can procreate. Men with power typically have more children. This was all the truer in primitive societies, where polygamy was often the norm for chieftains and kings.

This is a key point. A "royal caste" can expand its genetic contribution quickly. Not only do the elite procreate more (especially without alternate entertainment sources like game consoles or cable TV :) ) but the children of elite are more likely to thrive. Look at the Mongolian Khans for an example of how a single man's genes (Genghis Khan's) can be amplified quickly. Genetic fanout from early Irish Kings is another well-known example. (The overwhelming preponderance of R1b-L11 in Western Europe suggests that "genocidal" killing also played a role.)

Focus on male (agnatic) inheritance may be essential to the "amplification" of a Y-chromosome. Irish inheritance was based on the Derbfine, with only the agnatic great-great-great-grandsons of a Chief being eligible to be Chief. (This is why memorized genealogies are so prevalent in Gaelic culture.) In India, where caste inheritance is also from father, not mother, the correlation between R1a haplogroup and Brahmin caste is very strong. A small group of adventurers preaching Hindu religion almost 4000 years ago had a huge effect on Indian genes.

About half of Western Europeans are agnatic descendants of a single chieftain of the Corded Ware or Bell Beaker culture. Bell Beaker itself may have largely spoken a non-Celtic language and had a non-L11 chromosome but a L11, probably Celtic-speaking, chieftain and his descendants (royal caste or sept, Derbfine) enjoyed rapid conquest at some point.

The point where R-L11 suddenly fans out is very clear in a Y-chromosome clading chart. It may have been about 3000 BC, but more careful comparison with DNA extracted from ancient skeletons is needed to be sure. The early chief probably lived near the Rhine but I don't think this is certain. (Some conjecture that the early Bell Beaker elite in Iberia may have arrived by sea from the Eastern Mediterranean.)

Again new evidence confirming the Indo-European conquest has showed up.

Yet another confirmation that elite Indo-European male warriors literally "raped" :eek: this continent around 5000 years ago (ca. 3000 BC).

A huge bottleneck in male lineages dating back to ca. 5000 years has been discovered (but so far authors failed to link it to IE expansion):

http://mathbionerd.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-recent-bottleneck-of-y-chromosome.html

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/03/bottleneck-in-human-y-chromosomes-in.html



And the same thing in the Near East (which at that time was also invaded by Indo-Iranians who descended south from the Steppe):



Had that been something else than invasion (something like "Black Death"), there would have been also a bottleneck of females.

But no - there was only a bottleneck of males... :eek:
 
Again new evidence confirming the Indo-European conquest has showed up.

Yet another confirmation that elite Indo-European male warriors literally "raped" :eek: this continent around 5000 years ago (ca. 3000 BC).

A huge bottleneck in male lineages dating back to ca. 5000 years has been discovered (but so far authors failed to link it to IE expansion):

http://mathbionerd.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-recent-bottleneck-of-y-chromosome.html

Thanks very much for this! I've found that authors almost always email copies of their article when requested, but I don't want to abuse my welcome. Anyway, Supplementals from the article are free on-line, including some very informative figures in
 
Did Indo-European languages "spread like viruses", as some scholars have suggested? :confused:

No, not really - as this video lecture explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHsy4xeuoQ

Presented by Martin W. Lewis and Asya Pereltsvaig, from http://www.GeoCurrents.info

Can language spread be modeled using computational techniques designed to trace the diffusion of viruses? As recently announced in the New York Times, a team of biologists claims to have solved one of the major riddles of human prehistory, the origins of the Indo-European language family, by applying methodologies from epidemiology. In actuality, this research, published in Science, does nothing of the kind. As the talk presented here shows, the assumptions on which it rests are demonstrably false, the data that it uses are woefully incomplete and biased, and the model that it employs generates error at every turn, undermining the knowledge generated by more than two centuries of research in historical linguistics and threatening our understanding of the human past.

The talk presented here was originally delivered at Stanford University on December 13, 2012, sponsored by Stanford's Program in History and Philosophy of Science and Technology and co-sponsored by the Department of Linguistics. After a brief introduction by Kären Wigen, chair of the Stanford History Department, the presenters jointly deliver an address that lasts for some 50 minutes. A fifteen- minute period of questions and answers rounds out the video presentation.

The talk begins with Martin Lewis providing a brief examination of the media coverage of the issue. As he shows, not only the New York Times but also a number of other major news outlets, including Scientific American and the BBC, unreasonably portrayed the Science article as constituting a major scientific breakthrough. He then moves on to consider the significance of the topic, arguing that Indo-European origins and expansion has long been one of the most ideologically fraught issues of the human past, and that politically charged preconceptions continue to muddle scholarly interpretations. Asya Pereltsvaig subsequently explains the model used by the Science team, and then goes on to outline its linguistic failings, examining matters of vocabulary, grammar, and phonology. Martin Lewis then outlines the geo-historical problems of the Science paper before offering a few observations on the creation of ignorance. Asya Pereltsvaig concludes the presentation with a discussion of the languishing condition of historical linguistics and a warning about the possibility of generating "lodged fallacies" in the public imagination.

Further elaborations of the critique of the Science article can be found in a series of articles on the presenters' blog, GeoCurrents, located here: http://www.geocurrents.info/category/indo-european-origins


Link to video.

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http://www.geocurrents.info/cultura...ade-and-the-assault-on-historical-linguistics

Mismodeling Indo-European Origin and Expansion: Bouckaert, Atkinson, Wade and the Assault on Historical Linguistics

The series, however, has been put on hold by the recent publication of two heralded articles on the history and geography of the Indo-European language family. On August 24, a short piece in Science&#8212;&#8220;Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family&#8221;&#8212;made extravagant claims, purporting to overturn the most influential historical-linguistic account of the world&#8217;s most widespread language family. On the same day, Nicholas Wade, noted New York Times science reporter, wrote a half-page spread in the news section of the Times on the Science report, entitled &#8220;Family Tree of Languages Has Roots in Anatolia, Biologists Say.&#8221; Over the next few days, the story was picked up&#8212;and often twisted in the process&#8212;by assorted journalists. Within a few days, headlines appeared as preposterous as &#8220;English Language Originated in Turkey.&#8221;

As Wade&#8217;s title indicates, the Science article, written by Remco Bouckaert and eight others (most notably Quentin D. Atkinson), seeks to overturn the thesis that the Indo-European (I-E) family originated north of the Black and Caspian seas. It instead locates the I-E heartland in what is now Turkey, supporting the &#8220;Anatolian&#8221; thesis advanced a generation ago by archeologist Colin Renfrew. The Science team bases its claims on mathematical grounds, using techniques derived from evolutionary biology and epidemiology to draw linguistic family trees and model the geographical spread of language groups. According to Wade, the authors claim that their study does nothing less than &#8220;solve&#8221; a &#8220;long-standing problem in archaeology: the origin of the Indo-European family of languages.&#8221; (Strictly speaking, however, the problem is not an archaeological one, as excavations by themselves tell us nothing about the languages of non-literate peoples; it is rather a linguistic problem with major bearing on prehistory more generally.)

As GeoCurrents is deeply interested in the intersection of language, geography, and history, the two articles immediately grabbed our attention. Our initial response was one of profound skepticism, as it hardly seemed likely that a single mathematical study could &#8220;solve&#8221; one of the most carefully examined conundrums of the distant human past. Recent work in both linguistics and archeology, moreover, has tended against the Anatolian hypothesis, placing Indo-European origins in the steppe and parkland zone of what is now Ukraine, southwest Russia, and environs. The massive literature on the subject was exhaustively weighed as recently as 2007 by David W. Anthony in his magisterial study, The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World. Could such a brief article as that of Bouckaert et al. really overturn Anthony&#8217;s profound syntheses so easily?

The more we examined the articles in question, the more our reservations deepened. In the Science piece, the painstaking work of generations of historical linguists who have rigorously examined Indo-European origins and expansion is shrugged off as if it were of no account, even though the study itself rests entirely on the taken-for-granted work of linguists in establishing relations among languages based on words of common descent (cognates). In Wade&#8217;s New York Times article, contending accounts and lines of evidence are mentioned, but in a casual and slipshod manner. More problematic are the graphics offered by Bouckaert and company. The linguistic family trees generated by their model are clearly wrong, as we shall see in forthcoming posts. And on the website that accompanies the article, an animated map (&#8220;movie,&#8221; according to its creators) of Indo-European expansion is so error-riddled as to be amusing, and the conventional map on the same site is almost as bad. Mathematically intricate though it may be, the model employed by the authors nonetheless churns out demonstrably false information.

Failing the most basic tests of verification, the Bouckaert article typifies the kind of undue reductionism that sometimes gives scientific excursions into human history and behavior a bad name, based on the belief that a few key concepts linked to clever techniques can allow one to side-step complexity, promising mathematically elegant short-cuts to knowledge. While purporting to offer a truly scientific* approach, Bouckaert et al. actually forward an example of scientism, or the inappropriate and overweening application of specific scientific techniques to problems that lie beyond their own purview.

The Science article lays its stake to scientific standing in a straightforward but unconvincing manner. The authors claim that as two theories of Indo-European (I-E) origin vie for acceptance, a geo-mathematical analysis based on established linguistic and historical data can show which one is correct. Actually, many theories of I-E origin have been proposed over the years, most of which&#8212;including the Anatolian hypothesis&#8212;have been rejected by most specialists on empirical grounds. Establishing the firm numerical base necessary for an all-encompassing mathematical analysis of splitting and spreading languages is, moreover, all but impossible. The list of basic cognates found among Indo-European languages is not settled, nor is the actual enumeration of separate I-E languages, and the timing of the branching of the linguistic tree remains controversial as well. As a result of such uncertainties, errors can easily accumulate and compound, undermining the approach.

The scientific failings of the Bouckaert et al. article, however, go much deeper than that of mere data uncertainty. The study rests on unexamined postulates about language spread, assuming that the process works through simple spatial diffusion in much the same way as a virus spreads from organism to organism. Such a hypothesis is intriguing, but must be regarded as a proposition rather than a given, as it does not rest on a foundation of evidence. The scientific method calls for all such assumptions to be put to the test. One can easily do so in this instance. One could, for example, mathematically model the hypothesized diffusion of Indo-European languages for historical periods in which we have firm linguistic-geographical information to see if the predicted patterns conform to those of the real world. If they do not, one could only conclude that the approach fails. Such failure could stem either from the fact that the data used are too incomplete and compromised to be of value (garbage in/garbage out), of from a more general collapse of the diffusional model. Either possibility would invalidate the Science article.

Such a study, it turns out, has been conducted&#8212;and by none other than Bouckaert et al. in the Science article in question. Their model not only looks back 8,500 years into the past, when the locations and relations of languages families are only conjectured, but also comes up to the near present (1974), when such matters are well known. Here a single glance at their maps reveals the failure of their entire project, as they depict eastern Ukraine and almost all of Russia as never having been occupied by Indo-European speakers. Are we to believe that Russian and Ukrainian are not I-E languages? Or perhaps that Russians and Ukrainian speakers do not actually live in Russia and Ukraine? By the same token, are we to conclude that the Scythian languages of antiquity were not I-E? Or perhaps that the Scythians did not actually live in Scythia? And these are by no means the only instances of the study invalidating itself, as we shall soon demonstrate. An honest scientific report would have admitted as much, yet that of Bouckaert et al. instead trumpets its own success. How could that possibly be?

One can only speculate as to why the authors proved incapable of noting the failure of their model to mirror reality. Did they neglect to look at their own maps, trusting that the underlying equations were so powerful that they would automatically deliver? Could their faith in their model trump their concern for empirical evidence? Or could it be that their knowledge of linguistic geography is so scanty that they do not grasp the distribution of the Russian language, much less that of Scythian? If so, they are not operating at an acceptable undergraduate level of geo-historical knowledge. Alternatively, the authors might be aware that their model generates nonsense, but prefer to pretend otherwise, hoping to buffalo the broader scholarly community. They seem, after all, to conceal their approach as much as possible, couching their &#8220;findings&#8221; in jargon-ridden prose that proves a challenge not just for lay readers but also for specialists in neighboring subfields. (Translations of such passages as &#8220;Contours on the map represent the 95% highest posterior density distribution for the range of Indo-European&#8221; will be forthcoming.)

Regardless of whether the authors are intentionally trying to mislead the public or have simply succeeded in fooling themselves, their work approaches scientific malpractice. Science ultimately demands empirical verification, and here the project fails miserably. If generating scads of false information does not falsify the model, what possibly could? Non-falsifiable claims are, of course, non-scientific claims. The end result is a grotesquely rationalistic and hence ultimately irrational approach to the human past. As such, examining the claims made by the Science team becomes an example of what my colleagues Robert Proctor and Londa Schiebinger have aptly deemed &#8220;agnotology,&#8221; or &#8220;the study of culturally induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data.&#8221;

As the critique we offer is harsh and encompassing, GeoCurrents will devote a number of posts to examining in detail the claims made and techniques employed by Bouckaert, Atkinson, and their colleagues. But before delving into the nitty-gritty, a few words are in order about what ultimately lies at stake. We are exercised about the Science article not merely because of our passion for the seemingly esoteric issue of Indo-European origins, but also because we fear for the future of historical linguistics&#8212;and history more generally. The Bouckaert study, coupled with the mass-media celebration of the misinformation that it presents, constitutes an assault on a field that has generated an extraordinary body of rigorously derived information about the human past. Such an attack occurs at an unfortunate moment, as historical linguistics is already in crisis. Linguistics departments have been cutting positions in historical inquiry for some time, creating an environment in which even the best young scholars in the field are often unable to obtain academic positions.

The devaluation of historical linguistics is merely one aspect of a much larger shift away from the study of the past. Subdisciplines such as historical geography and historical sociology have been diminishing for decades, and even the discipline of history faces declining enrollments and reduced faculty slots. Academic history itself, moreover, has been progressively shying away from the deeper reaches of the human past to focus on modern if not recent historical processes. Such developments do not bode well for the maintenance of an educated public. At the risk of descending into hyperbole, we do worry about the emergence of something approaching institutionally produced societal dementia. The past matters, and we care deeply for the preservation of its study.

*Make no mistake: we at GeoCurrents are strong supporters of the scientific method. Linguistics is itself a logically constituted, rigorous endeavor that counts as a science in the larger sense of the word, and I have myself co-edited a work defending science and reason against eco-radical and other far-left attacks (The Flight from Science and Reason, edited by Paul R. Gross, Norman Levitt, and Martin W. Lewis. 1997. New York Academy of Sciences).
 
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