r16
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one of the things you learn in the university as a prospective English language teacher is that students can really clutter the test papers in case they don't know the answers to the questions with the hope that if they write long enough something can come up as acceptable , the answer too much method . Once ı had turned a royal failing of mine in the 7th Grade into a story as a term paper ; everybody else went to the library to find one or two books . Though my ultimate effort has to be the half to three quarters of a page ı devoted to Chincilla farming as an answer to - ı think- a grammer teaching method question . The teacher happened to be a girl that had started high school with me , though we were at different classes . She went to teaching and graduated , ı first went to engineering and failed . Would fail in the Education Faculty , too . Not just because of chincilla farming but a general lack of trying , as people will say .
another round of blah blah , instead of 3 or 4 sentences that would be of help .
much of this discussion -or rather monologue- so far has centered on the "widely divergent" views of people who made up the elites of Turkey at the time we joined NATO and beyond . The phrase is in quotation marks only to question its veracity , to be touched upon in the very last posts of this argument , which hopefully are much closer now .
the TV debate to discuss the August 30th , 1922 was finally on , before my hiatus . Not particularly important for any reason but it sure can provide a framework for today's posts . For today's political expediency requires the rifts of yesterday kept alive . For in practical terms the Kemalists , mainstream Left , a minority in the Right , anybody who wants to oppose require idealization of Mustafa Kemal and the rest of the political spectrum must fight this idolatry .
fighting idolatry is cheap , considering the Islamist Goverment . There is a different History show on a different channel , where the host regularly plays old Hymns , regularly mentions "hundreds" of e-mails he "receives" that complain about his "anti-secular stance" and he "bravely" goes on to declare that he will go on playing old Hymns . Everybody , ı repeat everybody , will dig Kemal's remains from the grave to kiss his skeleton feet , if the Goverment loses the next election .
since this is not going to happen -until the elections- it is situation normal , everything in present approved course . Hence the awkward silence in the first minutes of the TV debate that debates August 30th . Anything positive is being Kemalist and it is such a dirty word in 2012 ; one can hardly say much negative on the 1922 thing either ... The female Proffessor saved the day by taking the discussion to 1919 , to talk on stuff that made 1922 possible . The two guys are much better when they can play Kemal the usurper angle , they relish snickering . The 1421 guy reminded only 2000 Turkish troops were killed in this so called Grand Offensive , compared to 11 000 or so losses in the entire War of Liberation . The Journo added we didn't have a clue on how many of that 11 000 were fugitives , thiefs and stuff executed by the Military anyhow . Indeed , the miserable evil Turkish Armed Forces should immediately go on its knees and apologise to the newly elites , for they failed to lose at least 50 000 troops in the course of action . Not only that but also for claiming to have destroyed a 100 000 strong Greek force , the Greek casualties number only 100 and 90 of them were clerks lined up in front of a wall after they had surrendered . Now this is the truth the young ones in Turkey need to learn . For the Old lie , the Journo is adamant the proponents of the Old will write it all wrong even looking in your face . Must be easy to deduce , for the New always writes true ...
the Old has created false heroes , making the true sons of the Nation disappear and replacing them with usurpers . Kazım Karabekir in October 1918 was in Tebriz , Kemal was in Adana . Had the commands been reversed , "Kemal the Jew" would have been caught in the act , taking the best trained troops on a wild goose chase away from the Front that mattered . Though to be honest , ı have myself been on this angle and ı must be the first to admit that in realistic terms that we had two corps in the Caucaus meant they weren't destroyed in Syria .
this Karabekir stuff is nice , he saved the East from the Armenians twice , in 1918 after Brest-Litovsk and 1920 before the Soviet invasion that knocked out Erivan . Though for historical completeness , why no mention he had saved the East once more , before all that ? Last decade's Turkish smartiness on the events of 1915 was blaming Ittihad for being racists , the leaders of the Republic as racist Ittihadists with the local Kurds as murderous thiefs and plundering bandits . Islamists will fail in the glorious conquest of the Middle East on American planning and with American help , for the American planning plans for something else . Those of us who survive the Civil War and foreign intervention will pay , Armenians are into wee hours of the morning on how to spend the booty of 2015 . A lie , of course .
a gross disrespect to the cherished memory of a guy who founded the Turkish Republic and who was not Mustafa Kemal .. Since Kemal was first trying to become the Ottoman Sultan , stopped cold by Karabekir he tried his luck at the Caliphate . Once again defeated the usurper had no recourse left but declaring a republic , so that by becoming the head of state he could destroy the institutions he wasn't allowed to usurp . At times the newlies do not imply Kemal was a secret Jew , they go on with the "fact" that he was illegitimate anyhow .
this is something standart with all kinds of elites loading the dice , whether old or new , Turkish or foreign . Talking of fairness when the underdog , "öküzün trene baktığı gibi bakmak" when the top dog . About a trainspotting cow , the phrase roughly means lack of reaction due incomprehension and stuff . Being an elite means power and definite advantages , possension of which tend to shy away from adjectives like fair and concepts like truth . When the going is good , it is the elites winning on their own , they deserve it . When the going gets rough , it is the enemy backstabbing and likewise .
another round of blah blah , instead of 3 or 4 sentences that would be of help .
much of this discussion -or rather monologue- so far has centered on the "widely divergent" views of people who made up the elites of Turkey at the time we joined NATO and beyond . The phrase is in quotation marks only to question its veracity , to be touched upon in the very last posts of this argument , which hopefully are much closer now .
the TV debate to discuss the August 30th , 1922 was finally on , before my hiatus . Not particularly important for any reason but it sure can provide a framework for today's posts . For today's political expediency requires the rifts of yesterday kept alive . For in practical terms the Kemalists , mainstream Left , a minority in the Right , anybody who wants to oppose require idealization of Mustafa Kemal and the rest of the political spectrum must fight this idolatry .
fighting idolatry is cheap , considering the Islamist Goverment . There is a different History show on a different channel , where the host regularly plays old Hymns , regularly mentions "hundreds" of e-mails he "receives" that complain about his "anti-secular stance" and he "bravely" goes on to declare that he will go on playing old Hymns . Everybody , ı repeat everybody , will dig Kemal's remains from the grave to kiss his skeleton feet , if the Goverment loses the next election .
since this is not going to happen -until the elections- it is situation normal , everything in present approved course . Hence the awkward silence in the first minutes of the TV debate that debates August 30th . Anything positive is being Kemalist and it is such a dirty word in 2012 ; one can hardly say much negative on the 1922 thing either ... The female Proffessor saved the day by taking the discussion to 1919 , to talk on stuff that made 1922 possible . The two guys are much better when they can play Kemal the usurper angle , they relish snickering . The 1421 guy reminded only 2000 Turkish troops were killed in this so called Grand Offensive , compared to 11 000 or so losses in the entire War of Liberation . The Journo added we didn't have a clue on how many of that 11 000 were fugitives , thiefs and stuff executed by the Military anyhow . Indeed , the miserable evil Turkish Armed Forces should immediately go on its knees and apologise to the newly elites , for they failed to lose at least 50 000 troops in the course of action . Not only that but also for claiming to have destroyed a 100 000 strong Greek force , the Greek casualties number only 100 and 90 of them were clerks lined up in front of a wall after they had surrendered . Now this is the truth the young ones in Turkey need to learn . For the Old lie , the Journo is adamant the proponents of the Old will write it all wrong even looking in your face . Must be easy to deduce , for the New always writes true ...
the Old has created false heroes , making the true sons of the Nation disappear and replacing them with usurpers . Kazım Karabekir in October 1918 was in Tebriz , Kemal was in Adana . Had the commands been reversed , "Kemal the Jew" would have been caught in the act , taking the best trained troops on a wild goose chase away from the Front that mattered . Though to be honest , ı have myself been on this angle and ı must be the first to admit that in realistic terms that we had two corps in the Caucaus meant they weren't destroyed in Syria .
this Karabekir stuff is nice , he saved the East from the Armenians twice , in 1918 after Brest-Litovsk and 1920 before the Soviet invasion that knocked out Erivan . Though for historical completeness , why no mention he had saved the East once more , before all that ? Last decade's Turkish smartiness on the events of 1915 was blaming Ittihad for being racists , the leaders of the Republic as racist Ittihadists with the local Kurds as murderous thiefs and plundering bandits . Islamists will fail in the glorious conquest of the Middle East on American planning and with American help , for the American planning plans for something else . Those of us who survive the Civil War and foreign intervention will pay , Armenians are into wee hours of the morning on how to spend the booty of 2015 . A lie , of course .
a gross disrespect to the cherished memory of a guy who founded the Turkish Republic and who was not Mustafa Kemal .. Since Kemal was first trying to become the Ottoman Sultan , stopped cold by Karabekir he tried his luck at the Caliphate . Once again defeated the usurper had no recourse left but declaring a republic , so that by becoming the head of state he could destroy the institutions he wasn't allowed to usurp . At times the newlies do not imply Kemal was a secret Jew , they go on with the "fact" that he was illegitimate anyhow .
this is something standart with all kinds of elites loading the dice , whether old or new , Turkish or foreign . Talking of fairness when the underdog , "öküzün trene baktığı gibi bakmak" when the top dog . About a trainspotting cow , the phrase roughly means lack of reaction due incomprehension and stuff . Being an elite means power and definite advantages , possension of which tend to shy away from adjectives like fair and concepts like truth . When the going is good , it is the elites winning on their own , they deserve it . When the going gets rough , it is the enemy backstabbing and likewise .