Football Thread No. 9

They also played the Club World Cup in Japan in mid season, where Villa broke his leg. Maybe they'd trade that cup win for a healthy Villa now (or rather yesterday and last saturday). :scan:

yeah, i mean what european team has ever taken this competition fully serious but "we want to win every little crap and messi scores the pens" barcelona.
well, they payed the price.

I am not sure if my brother won money on this game, since he said he put money of Chelsea to win the game, but I am not sure if it was overall or just for this single game?

i'm not sure either. i'll call him and then tell you on here, ok?
 
Well a victory for anti-football, if Chelski were a team without resources then there would be something to appreciate, but the multi-millionaires of Chelski could only win by camping 9 men within their own penalty area for the entire game.

I reckon the Chelski team collectively cost more than Barca.

It's a fair point. If Athletic Bilbao beat Barcelona like that, then all well and good. Or Lyon, or Newcastle, or Dortmund. All credit to Chelsea for a genuinely indomitable performance, but you've got to limit how much applause you can give a team constructed at enormous expense which simply parks the bus (especially at home).

Penalty shoot-out in Real-Bayern at the moment. Although he got away with it, what on earth was Neuer thinking when he grabbed a Real shirt in his penalty area in extra-time?
 
That had to be one of the more bizarre penalty shootouts of all time.
 
Looks like Barça and Messi aren't the only ones a tad too tired...
Real Madrid really is the antithesis of Barcelona: whereas the latter only play midfielders, the former have NO midfield. When they had possession, and until Kaká came on, there were 40 meters of empty space in between their defence (to which Alonso and Khedira tracked back because the centre backs can't make long passes) and the attack. All the time! Incredible! They'd then have the 2 fullbacks a bit further up but the pitch, but glued to the sideline, and 4 relatively immobile forwards waiting near the penalty area.
I felt like I was watching a game from the 1950s. Only thing is: Bayern was not a 50s team.
I felt Mourinho made exactly the right substitutions but all came 15 minutes too late (of course he had to play with the prospect of extra-time, but still...).

Maybe the never ending fight for supremacy between the 2 spanish giants turned all their players into exhausted ghosts. Xabi Alonso, for example, their only midfielder who can both defend and create something as a deep lying playmaker has been physically out of it for the past 6 months. Mourinho also did very little squad rotation.

Anyway, this shouldn't take any credit away from Bayern, who I think probably just about deserved it overall. I wasn't impressed with them last week, but today they were pretty good.
The forwards pressed Real Madrid's defenders all day, thus widening that huge gap between both halves of Madrid's team. The midfield was key: Kroos, Schweinsteiger and L. Gustavo a very dynamic unit on and off the ball, preventing any overlaps in the wings, always creating an extra barrier of pressing and comfortable in possession: tiki-taka with a purpose. ;)
And the defence, their most dodgy sector, was also pretty good.

Only problem is that they got too many yellow cards and now have a squad almost as depleted as Chelsea's, but with more important players missing in my opinion. The only really irreplaceable player Chelsea has suspended, on current form, is Ramires. They can bring experience in Essien or Malouda to grind out another result with heroic ultra-catenaccio. :yeah: Badstuber, Alaba and Luiz Gustavo (iirc the ones missing the final) are bigger losses I think.

Finally, with the following list of top spanish players all in a dip of form - Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Xabi Alonso, David Silva, Mata, Torres, Piqué, Pedro + David Villa recovering from a broken leg -, and contrasting that with what we saw today, Germany for the Euro 2012 title?
 
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
But I want them tired for Spanish King's Cup final, not now
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

In any case, what you are saying is fairly true. They have been proven not to be as fit as other years. They have been 3 years playing at very high level, plus Barcelona's specialist in sports medicine got retired last season, I heard they changed some food habits and training routines.
In any case I think this 3 years without showing tiredness are the key to this change of cycle in Barcelona.
It comes and it goes. perhaps they shouldn't aim to get a treble every single season.
Come on Bayern, keep Real out of the final.
Success! :w00t:
Pangur Bán;11449585 said:
Terry gets away with quite a lot with journalists. The guy has being doing stuff like that for a large part of his career, yet they're always finding excuses for him, whether it's screwing the partners of players he captains, causing his country to get knocked out of the world cup, or trying his best to get ruin his team's chances in a Champions League semi-final.
This time he didn't, and, as always, this highlights that English teams are used to a more violent game and more lenient referees than the rest of the continent (yes, Ingerland is part of Europe. Deal with it, Sassanaich!)
Looks like Barça and Messi aren't the only ones a tad too tired...
Real Madrid really is the antithesis of Barcelona: whereas the latter only play midfielders, the former have NO midfield. When they had possession, and until Kaká came on, there were 40 meters of empty space in between their defence (to which Alonso and Khedira tracked back because the centre backs can't make long passes) and the attack. All the time! Incredible! They'd then have the 2 fullbacks a bit further up but the pitch, but glued to the sideline, and 4 relatively immobile forwards waiting near the penalty area.
I felt like I was watching a game from the 1950s. Only thing is: Bayern was not a 50s team.
I felt Mourinho made exactly the right substitutions but all came 15 minutes too late (of course he had to play with the prospect of extra-time, but still...).

Maybe the never ending fight for supremacy between the 2 spanish giants turned all their players into exhausted ghosts. Xabi Alonso, for example, their only midfielder who can both defend and create something as a deep lying playmaker has been physically out of it for the past 6 months. Mourinho also did very little squad rotation.
That's more or elss what I started thinking about after Bayern scored and drove Mandril into their own half. Madrid have succeeded at drawing Messi into a personal contest with C. Ronaldo but this has also put Ronaldo under enormous pressure, incluing him having to out-perform Messi which eventualyl showed with the curious penalty situation. Madrid are very similar to Maradona's 2009-10 Argentina: the best strikers in the division and butcherous thugs in defense, a great keeper saving them at crucial times but no midfield at all. Both times, the Germans did it.
 
btw I'd love to have a laugh at Sid Lowe proclaiming the fall of Barcelona heralding the rise of Real Madrid. :rotfl:
 
Ahahahahaha there's going to be at least one Spanish side in a European final and it won't be Real Barcelona. Ahahahaha.

Football, not soccer.

Valid abbreviation for Association Football is valid.
 
So, I suggest that, to make Guardiola stay after this, Barça use the elevator trick:

Link to video.
Ahahahahaha there's going to be at least one Spanish side in a European final and it won't be Real Barcelona. Ahahahaha.
One at most, since the others're Basque, eh, Josu?
Arwon said:
Valid abbreviation for Association Football is valid.
No it's not, comes from someone who invented the words 'rugger' and 'brekkers'.
Suck it Madrid and Cronaldo
Hey, don't insult the most handsome player of the world!
 
Meh, we have four codes of football here, and soccer's the smallest. The smartest thing fans in this country can do to grow the game here is stop getting all high and mighty about people enjoying the game wrong. That includes getting over the football vs soccer thing and not getting all snotty when people call Australian Rules or Rugby League "football" or their game "soccer". And while we're at it, this also includes Craig Foster sooking because Australians thought the 2010 A-League final was very good even though it was all rough and physical and lacked tactical sophistication.

So I think I will continue to refer to the A-League as a soccer league, because it is.

Plus, you know, the term is a century old and originates in the UK anyway.

Edit: Brekkers? No, it's brekkie here. c:)
 
Great that Bayern won. They deserve to be in the final, specially because of their reaction after finding themselves down 2-0 after just 16 minutes. They created chances, dominated possession and stopped a Madrid side that looked clueless after the Bayern goal. I think they could have won in the 90 minutes if it wasn't for the many lost chances they had throughout the game.
This final is going to be interesting, I'm concerned with the loss of 3 key players in the back for Bayern, but they got 2 weeks to think about what replacements to field.
 
One at most, since the others're Basque, eh, Josu?

I've often wondered what would/will happen to the Basque and Catalan teams if those countries become independent. There's precedents in other places of teams playing outside their own country, I guess. (Welsh teams in the English leagues, Wellington Phoenix in Australia are actually from a different confederation not just league).
 
One at most, since the others're Basque, eh, Josu?

I like the way you think :goodjob:

I've often wondered what would/will happen to the Basque and Catalan teams if those countries become independent. There's precedents in other places of teams playing outside their own country, I guess. (Welsh teams in the English leagues, Wellington Phoenix in Australia are actually from a different confederation not just league).

It depends on which league do our teams choose to play in. If we create a basque league with Athletic Club, Real Sociedad and other teams inside it, it will be a joke league. So I guess that our teams will weaken. It would not happen happen the same with Barcelona as it is extremely powerfull club.

Regarding a national team it is not easy as I think that players should have to choose continue playing with current national teams or basque national team. But on paper I think it would be a nice team, Xabi Alonso, Muniain, Herrera, Susaeta, Aduriz... Same for catalonia with Valdes, Xavi, Puyol, Busquets, Cesc....

On the other hand, I am bloody nervous regarding tonights match. :aargh::aargh::aargh:

BTW there are rumors that Ramos kicked the penalty this way because he thought that goals away are scoring double :lol:
 
Excuse me while I celebrate a little bit more



Too bad I'll miss the final - I'll be on the Santa Cruz hike in Peru. which I partially don't mind cause that will be amazing in itself, but I really wish I could watch the final somewhere :( Maybe we'll run into a mountain hermit with satellite tv?
 
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