Civ 5: Civilizations/Leaders Wanted!

Given the popularity of threads about new civilizations desired as DLC in Civ5 or as civilizations in a new Civ iteration, this thread has been opened to allow a centralised location for all such ideas & suggestions. Please post all ideas & suggestions for new civilizations and leaders in the game here. All such new threads will be merged into this one.

A few ground rules:

• Keep discussion focused to Civ. The topic drifting into the realm of history can be natural, but please ensure that your posts remain directly related to Civ. Relate your musings to a unique ability or building that should come with the civ in question, for example.
• Keep it spam free. No 'I want Sealand!' suggestions.
• Keep it civil. Disagree, but do so constructively and without lowering the tone of the thread.

Please refer to the posts below by MARDUK80 and Pouakai for updated lists of the civs suggested.

I would like to review my ideas* for the Finnish Civilization and would truly appreciate some comments about unique component choices and possibility of Finnish civilization in CiV in general:

Finland ( History of Finland )
Ancient Finland Infolink1, Infolink2, Infolink 3, Infolink 4
Maps of 814 AD: Europe 814 AD, Ultima Thule 814 AD, Finno-Ugric People

Capital 1: Helsinki
Capital 2: Vanaja (Vanain). (Destroyed in 1311 A.D.)

Leader 1: Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (1918-1919; 1944-1946)
Leader 2: Urho Kekkonen (1956 –1982)
Leader 3: Juho Kusti Paasikivi (1946 – 1956)

Unique Ablity 1: Northern Stalwart*. Tundra tiles provide +1 Food and +1 Gold. Specialists provide +1 Production. Free Social Policy when Discovering Education.
Unique Ability 2: Tales from the Thousand Lakes. Each worked lake, marsh and river tiles provides +2 culture per turn. Free Great Artist at the discovery of Acoustics. Free Social Policy at the discovery of Archeology.
Unique Ability 3: The Finnish Spirit. 25% attack strength for military units fighting within the empire's borders. Fort improvement and defensive buildings in all cities are 25% more effective.
Unique Ability 4: Kalmar Union. 50% more influence gained from quest and unit gifts. Mercantile and Maritime CS will occasionally gift you naval units. Also Finns have slightly increased rate of the specialist speed-up of creation of Great People. **

Unique Unit 1: Runonlaulaja (”Rune Singer&#8221. Replaces Scout. When explored 100 tiles and returned to the capital can be used to gain 100 culture towards Social Policies. Cost: 30. Strength: 4. Starts with Survivalism I promotion.
Unique Unit 2: Väinämöinen. The Väinämöinen is a Finnish Unique Great Person, replacing the standard Great General. The same combat bonuses apply, but the Väinämöinen can heal adjacent units for an additional 3HP per turn and can Culture Bomb with double the normal power; 2 tile radius.
Unique Unit 3: Sissi. Replaces Rifleman, invisible if in a Forest tile. Can pillage enemy improvements at no additional cost. Starts with Scouting I and Survivalism I promotions. Cost 200. Combat 25. Movement 2.
Unique Unit 4: Hakkapeliitta. Replaces Cavalry. Starts with Blitz promotion. Cost 260. Combat 25. Movement 3.
Unique Unit 5: White Death. Replaces Infantry. Cost: 300. Strength: 36. Ranged combat 30. Range: 3. Movement: 3. Has a 50% change to remain Invisible in Snow and Tundra tiles to all enemy units . Notes: has ranged attack unlike regular Infantry which it replaces and +1 extra movement (fast moving Infantry unit; in Snow with Skies and with Bicycle when there isn't snow). Also due snowcamouflage suit has a high change to remain Invisble. Quick ranged attack and fast withdrawal to new position to ambush.

Unique Building 1: Sauna. Replaces Garden. Cost 120. No maintenance. Happiness +2 and +33% Great People generation in City. City must be built next to a River or Lake.
Unique Building 2: Wood Refinery. Replaces Factory. Cost: 300. Maintenance 3. Production +50% (same as regular Factory.) Gives additional +25% Gold. Great Engineer slot. Available after discovery of Steam Power. Requires 1 source of Coal.

Unique Improvement 1: Hiisi (Cairn). Available at the discovery of Masonry. Start with +5Faith and each new era will add +1Culture, but decreases -1Faith. Can be build in Hills and must be at least 3 tiles away from each other.
Unique Improvement 2: Tervamiilu (Tar Kiln). Replaces Lumbermill (+1 production) after the discovery of Navigation. Tar Kiln adds +1 gold for the Merchant specialists in the city and gives small amount of experience for Naval units build in there. Goes obsolete at the discovery of Electricity.
Unique Improvement 3: Korsu ("Bunker"). Replaces Fort after the discovery of Dynamite. Each Korsu in an adjacent tile will add +25% Combat Strength and +25 Defense against Air Units for units inside them and units move through them as if it is Road.

Scenario 1: Karelian Isthmus
- Defend Finland in Karelian Isthmus against invasion of Mother Russia. Conquer St. Petersburg to achieve victory. Many strategic chokepoints and tons of tanks, artillery and planes against Finnish defenders in lines of defense. In this scenario America, Sweden, Germany, Italy, France, England and Denmark are in form of a friendly city states; gifting food and units.
Scenario 2: Ultima Thule
- Conquer for the glory of Finland and rule your empire from Iceland to Ural, from Black Sea to Barents Sea! Reinvent the long forgotten and long disregarded traditions of Finnish people.

Starting Bias: Forest, Tundra and Lakes
Favoured Win: Diplomatic, Culture
Religion: Finnish Paganism. Forced Christianity since late medieval/renaissance era after the crusades to Finland. Yes, there were a couple crusades made against Finnish "Pagans".
New Great People: C.G.E. Mannerheim (Great General), Jean Sibelius (Great Artist), Pekka Ervast (Great Artist), Linus Torvalds (Great Scientist), Alvar Aalto (Great Engineer), Martti Ahtisaari (Great Merchant) and Esko Valtaoja (Great Scientist).
New Natural Wonders: Saimaa (Large Fresh Water Lake with unique bonus resources), Korvatunturi (Mountain/Fell in a Arctic Tile, generates Happiness and gives Combat Strength for units near it).
Language & Music Theme: Traditional. Music influenced by Jean Sibelius, especially Finlandia piece.
Colours: White & Blue (but Greece already has that), so; Blue & White.

NOTE: J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings -saga is inspired by the Finnish culture; Kalevala also Tolkien learned Finnish to some extent, and the Finnish language was the main inspiration for the high-elven language.

*(Thanks to aatami)
** (Thanks to ShahJahanII for the help.

What do you guys think? Which combination would be most balanced and most fun to play?

I will, yet again, post my suggestions, as the last thread was closed, just like the thread before that. I also added links to the suggestions:

Goths:
Leader: Theodric the Great
UA:
UU: Gadrauhts (replaces swordsman)(I'ts hard to find Gothic soldiers on the webs, i found this on wikipedia)
UB: Cathedral, replaces temple, grants , in addition to the temple's happiness (or do the temple already grant culture? In that case the cathedral grants more)
(Western Graphics)

Swedes:
UU1: Carolinean (call them that instead of the suggested Gustavian Infantry)
UU2: Hakkapeliitta (lesser movement cost on forested tiles) (replaces what ever cavalry unit happens to be in the appropriate era (around 1600-1700))
(Western Graphics)

Mapuche:
Leader: Lautaro or Colocolo
UA:
UU: Malón Raider, cavalry unit, designed for raids (replace Cavalry)
UU2: Toqui, replaces Great General, will increase speed of nearby cavalry, along with the combat boosts of a normal Great General. Also, it is a lot faster than normal GG's
(Native American Graphics)

Malagasy (Madagascar):
Leader: Radama I
UA: Natural Beauty: Forests and Jungles grant extra gold
UU:
UB: Rova; Replaces Castles
(Polynesian Graphics)

The Origin of this thread comes from this old topic:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=413951

and my part found in post 360 in that thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10572477&postcount=360

Belgium:
UA: Colonial masters, +1 per city on a different continent. Double resources on different continents.

or

UA: Industrial Revolution: Double Coal resources and +1 production for each. 10% production in all cities.

also

UB: waffle house: +1 for every waffle rescources in the city. (jk, jk)

(European graphics)

Chola:
Leader: Rajaraja Chola
UA: Temple builders: Build cultural buildings 50% faster. Cultural buildings are 50% cheaper.

or

UA: Unamed(something to do with islands): Cities built on islands 9 tiles or less have no

UB: Unamed: (replaces temple): 6 , 1 for every 5 , 1 for every marble and stone

(New Dravidian Graphics)

Bangla:

UA: Master craftsmen: + 2 per silver, gold, silk, gems resource. Selling these resources to other civilizations will give them + 5
Unique Improvment: Linen maker/ Silk Farm: Can be built on silk resources. Connects the silk resource. + 1 , + 1

MARDUK80: I think the focus should be on modern day Finland, and for the unique units I'd go with the White Death or the Sissi, the UI or the UB could be either of the suggested ones, as well as the UA.
The reason is because from the 1100s to the 1800s Finland was ruled by Sweden, and then by Russia for a century, and only became a militairy and cultural power to be reckoned with in the 20th century.
As for the units:
The rune singer seems a bit over powered to me, Väinemöinen is a mythological person and the Hakkapeliitta fought exclusively for the Swedish crown, so I'd say nay to all three of them as unique units.
The Ultima Thule scenario seems a bit too nationalistic and not really rooted in any historical events, so I'd have to decline that one as well, I like the Karelian one though! (is it based on the Winter War, perhaps?)

(also, the Lord of the Rings was more inspired by, than based on, the Kalevala)

Kimuyama said:

MARDUK80: I think the focus should be on modern day Finland, and for the unique units I'd go with the White Death or the Sissi, the UI or the UB could be either of the suggested ones, as well as the UA. The reason is because from the 1100s to the 1800s Finland was ruled by Sweden, and then by Russia for a century, and only became a militairy and cultural power to be reckoned with in the 20th century.

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Actually from 1249 to 1809, but one might say Finns had own autonomy for the whole perioid. Tried to find a wikipedia link for that, but could only find one page which is unfortunately only in Finnish -> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruotsin_vallan_aika_Suomessa

Kimuyama said:

As for the units:
The rune singer seems a bit over powered to me, Väinemöinen is a mythological person and the Hakkapeliitta fought exclusively for the Swedish crown, so I'd say nay to all three of them as unique units.

The Ultima Thule scenario seems a bit too nationalistic and not really rooted in any historical events, so I'd have to decline that one as well, I like the Karelian one though! (is it based on the Winter War, perhaps?)

(also, the Lord of the Rings was more inspired by, than based on, the Kalevala)

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Yes, the famous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Yes, perhaps inspired is a better word here, but if you have read the Kalevala you'll know that LOTR has a lot similarities with the Finnish stories.

Thanks for the good suggestions. Hopefully I will get some other replys too and based on that will change the Finnish components with next update


Edited and added range (3) to the White Death unit in the post.

Highlander. Replaces immortal.

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fixed that for you

UB: waffle house

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waffle house is from atlanta

Pouakai said:

Poland
Leader: Józef Piłsudski / Lech Wałęsa
Unique Unit: Sherman (replaces Tank) +1 Movement such as the Panzer, cost less!
Unique Building: (Unnamed) Factory that doesn't require Coal to be built and gives a 75% boost to production - Cost=250 - Maintenance=1
Unique Ability; Solidarność, Unemployed citizens still work on tiles if used as Specialists.

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I have no idea why the UU is Sherman (it wasnt a polish tank for sure).
I would rather propose Polish Hussar (replaces Cavalry): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Hussars
or Uhlans (also replaces Cavarly): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhlan
which were very famous in polish history.


I didnt find the name to the unique building yet ;P

Cya

How often is the OP updated? I want to see Belgium, Chola, Bangla, and any other civs I might add.

Mamluks
UA: Equestrian Hordes? (Something to do with their excellent use of cavalry):
33% less maintanance on mounted units
UU: Mamluk Cavalry (replaces knight): Can cross rivers without penalty. 25% attack bonus vs. seige and other mounted units.

Bactrian
Very random start bias
UA: Masters of the environment: +1, , on desert and tundra tiles.
UU: Bactrian Camel Warriors(replaces horsemen): 8. Heals all damage in 1 turn.


New Germany: I would like to represent modern Germany instead of barbarian Germany so that the Germanic tribes can be represented by the holy Roman Empire
UA: Industry (if Belgium doesn't get the Industrial Revolution UA): Industrial Revolution: Double Coal resources and +1 production for each. 10% production in all cities.
UU1: Schnauzer: Replaces artillery. 3 . 4 Range
UU2: Panzer

Holy Roman/ Frankish Empire:
Capital: Aachen
Leader: Charlemagne
UA: Furor Teutonicus
UU1: Landskecht
Unique Improvement: (unamed, replaces fort): Can be built on farms. Units on it heal +1 health.

Bangla:
Capital: Dhaka
UA: Master craftsmen: + 2 per silver, gold, silk, gems resource. Selling these resources to other civilizations will give them + 5
Unique Improvment: Linen maker/ Silk Farm: Can be built on silk resources. Connects the silk resource. + 3 , + 3

Belgium:
UA: Colonial masters, +1 per city on a different continent. Double resources on different continents.
or
UA: Industrial Revolution: Double Coal resources and +1 production for each. 10% production in all cities.
also
UB: Coal Plant : +35% , +4 , +2 per coal rescource worked by the city, each unwkorked citizen provides +2
UB: waffle house: +1 for every waffle rescources in the city. (jk, jk)
(European graphics)

Chola:
Capital: Tanjavur
Leader: Rajaraja Chola
UA: Temple builders: Build cultural buildings 50% faster. Cultural buildings are 50% cheaper.
or
UA: Unamed(something to do with islands): Cities built on islands 9 tiles or less have no
UB: Unamed: (replaces temple): 6 , 1 for every 5 , 1 for every marble and stone
(New Dravidian Graphics)

Mali
Leader: Mansa Musa
UA: African Traders: Trading posts are built at twice the speed and give +2 and an extra +1 with roads.
or
UA: African traders: Each ivory resource gives 3 horses. Each gold, silver, gems, gives 1 iron. +1 per trade route
or
UA: Allied city states give 20% of their
UB: Unamed(could someone translate "courthouse" into Malinese for me?) : + 3 and +10%
Scenario

East Indies

Major and Minor Civilizations:
Bangla, Chola, Dutch, Portugal, France, Denmark, Britain, Majapahit, Siam, Spain, Kandy, Maharashtra, Delhi Sultanate, Timurids. China will be Represented by a powerful AI. They will not be competititive enough to win the game. I wanted to include this because China is barely on the map but I would expect they had an influence on the region in real life. The map will be inhabited by city states that will represent weaker native tribes. the city-states will have a significant amount of rescources, but a weaker, more primitive army than the major civilizations. They can be razed with temporary unhappiness. They can be puppeted with a small amount of unhappiness. They can be annexed without unhappiness, but rebels will occasionally spawn near the city and the rebellion must be put down. They can be allied for a much smaller amount of gold. gold can be invested in increments of 100. Whatever civilization has the most gold invested in them will be the city state's ally.

Timeline:
Starts in 1200 A.D. and ends in 1650 A.D. Game will progress more slowly with more units per era.

Map:
Should cover most of India, Southeast Asia, Indonesia, and the Philippines.

Rules:
The game begins in 1200 A.D. without European civs. Native civilizations will have a chance to explore and conquer land, but culture and gold gained in this time will not count towards victory. Later, civilizations will spawn as they did in Rhyes and Fall of Civilization IV. Native cities may "convert" to European cities. Most native nations will survive this but loose a significant amount of land.All European civs will start off with a small port city in a historic location (Portugal in Goa, India; Spain in the Philippines) and a bunch of free units. European civs will have a technological advantage over Asian civs. Asian civs will be much more powerful in every aspect other than military and technology. Happiness is loosened slightly. Each city will only increase policy costs by 10%. Military will be made less important than navy.Naval units can capture cities. New luxury resources will be added. No world wonders. Many of the existing world wonders that apply to this map will become natural wonder. These natural wonders will be put in their historic place and will grant much larger bonuses. For example, the Angkor Wat will be placed in Siamese territory and give 25 per turn. But If the French take that city, then they will get the bonus.

The OP had a 6 hour update yesterday, so I will try to keep it updated frequently to avoid another need for that

In an attempt to fill out my suggestion for the Goths i tried to find some buildings that might fit them, but there isn't really much to go at, as not much is known about the architecture of the Goths. Gothic Architecture, on the other hand, is a completely different thing and much more well known, though the Goths themselves never used it. I'd therefore suggest, though a bit of a stretch:

Gothic UB: Cathedral, replaces temple, grants , in addition to the temple's happiness (or do the temple already grant culture? In that case the cathedral grants more)

EDIT: Added the UB suggestion to my original post

For Nubia I came up with a Mint UB

Doesn't require Gold, Silver or Gems near the City but still adds the Gold to them.
+5% and in the City
If connected to the Capital, grants +1 in the City where built and the Capital. This bonus doesn't apply if built in the Capital.
(hope you understand this: Capital A is connected to cities B and C. All cities have the Mint UB built. The Capital A then receives +2 and the cities B and C receive +1 in addition to the +5% and )

Kimuyama said:

Swedes:
UU1: Carolinean (call them that instead of the suggested Gustavian Infantry)
UU2: Hakkapeliitta (lesser movement cost on forested tiles) (replaces what ever cavalry unit happens to be in the appropriate era (around 1600-1700))
(Western Graphics)

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@ Kimuyama
@ ALL

What do you think about the current Sweden concept?

MARDUK80 said:

Sweden
Leader: Gustavus Adolphus
Unique Unit: Gustavian Infantry. Replaces Musketmen. Cost 120. Strength 16. +25% Strength against Infantry-type units (Longswordsmen, Musketmen, etc).
Unique Unit: S-tank. Replaces Modern Armor. Cost 800, not 700. Strength 100, not 80. Movement 6, not 5. +25% Combat bonus on Defense.
Unique Ability: Swedish Liberalism. Culture cost of Policies from number of Cities decreased by 20%. Unhappiness from Annexed cities reduced by 25%.

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I have to say it's pretty good. Would like to play with a Civ like that