[BTS] Fictionalization IV

Sure thing. Here are the wonders I have yet to change.

Spoiler :
Angkor Wat
Apostolic Palace
Chichen Itza
Cristo Redentor
Globe Theatre
Heroic Epic
Ironworks
Notre Dame
Oxford University
Red Cross
SDI
Stonehenge
The Colossus
The Eiffel Tower
The Great Library
The Great Wall
The Hagia Sophia
The Internet
The Manhattan Project
The Mausoleum of Maussollos
The Parthenon
The Pentagon
The Space Elevator
The Spiral Minaret
The Statue of Liberty
The Statue of Zeus
The Taj Mahal
The Temple of Artemis
The Three Gorges Dam
Versailles
Wall Street
West Point


The only ones I definitely want unchanged are the Pyramids, Broadway, The Oracle and Rock n Roll, partly because they tie in well with a fictional setting.

SDI = Death Star maybe?
Statue of Zeus should go unchanged. Maybe make the Statue of Liberty a destroyed Statue of Liberty?

YOU MANIACS! YOU FINALLY DID IT! YOU BLEW IT ALL UP!
DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
 
I forgot to mention;

When looking for new substitute wonders, I'm more concerned with finding wonders that would give the same effect as the Firaxis ones. So if I'm going to replace The Statue of Liberty, I'd need a wonder from fiction that would give a free specialist in every city, rather than just a substitute big statue.

And as always, see the first post for the criteria I will judge a suggestion. Or just read The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
 
Hmmm. How about Merlin's Tower? It could replace a scientific wonder such as The Great Library or Oxford University.

I want to suggest "Verne's Columbiad" - the giant cannon they used in Jules Verne's "From The Earth To The Moon" to launch spacecraft was called The Columbiad. Trouble is, it's more akin to the Apollo Program than to the Space Elevator that is still on your list (and might arrive at an earlier technology point, such as Rifling?).

The Nazca Lines come to mind as a possible ancient replacement for Stonehenge - but they are a real artifact; the fiction would have to come from their functionality & purpose, which has still not been proven. Common theories include that they are astrological or agricultural calendars, religious symbols, and/or messages to early hot air balloon flyers or even space aliens. Perhaps the Obelisk/Stele could be replaced with a Geoglyph that produces 1 Food instead of 1 Culture, and Nazca Lines provides a free Geoglyph in each city, until the development of some advanced agricultural technology?

I know you have some other Harry Potter stuff in here already, but you could consider Gringotts and Azkaban (Wall Street for Gringotts, nothing seems the equivalent to Azkaban unless you want to transform another wonder into a Super Jail type building).
 
The Space Elevator was originally a science fiction idea in an Arthur C. Clarke novel, although some people hope to make it a reality. The monolith would be another Clarke wonder idea.

Dr. Frankenstein's lab perhaps?

From DC comics, the Watchtower space station.

The SGC from the Stargate SG-1 series.
 
You might want to keep Stonehenge, but add in an "extra-terrestrial" twist or something. I'd bet a bunch of different mediums have exploited the old "Stonehenge is actually used to communicate with aliens" story.
 
The Space Elevator was originally a science fiction idea in an Arthur C. Clarke novel, although some people hope to make it a reality. The monolith would be another Clarke wonder idea.

Dr. Frankenstein's lab perhaps?

From DC comics, the Watchtower space station.

The SGC from the Stargate SG-1 series.

Good ideas all, though I was thinking of saving the 2001 monolith for a FfH-style World Improvement. Once I can get someone to help me with the .dll compling and SDK programming necessary to do it, you should see the Monolith as a naturally occuring improvement, along with the Fountain of Youth, Pride Rock, the Mountains of Madness, etc.

I'm hesitant to bring back the "Famous Person's Thing"-style wonders from earlier Civ game, especially since the Great Person system renders most of them unncessary. But I definitely have plans for Frankenstein and his monster.

And I like the idea of the Watchtower, but I've already added The Hall of Justice as a United Nations replacement, so it might overlap.

Stargate itself is already in the mod as a wonder, but as for SGC I was thinking of making a wonder that would pull on several different Secret Government Agencies Devoted to Keeping Alien Secrets. So the SGC will be in there, as well as the Men in Black, the Syndicate from The X-Files, The Torchwood Institute, and so on ad nauseum.

You might want to keep Stonehenge, but add in an "extra-terrestrial" twist or something. I'd bet a bunch of different mediums have exploited the old "Stonehenge is actually used to communicate with aliens" story.

Hadn't thought of that. I'll do a bit of research.
 
Good ideas all, though I was thinking of saving the 2001 monolith for a FfH-style World Improvement. Once I can get someone to help me with the .dll compling and SDK programming necessary to do it, you should see the Monolith as a naturally occuring improvement, along with the Fountain of Youth, Pride Rock, the Mountains of Madness, etc.

Could also be done through python ;).
 
Just throwing out a few ideas here:
Spoiler :

Apostolic Palace - Council of Elrond
Chichen Itza - could leave as is, make it provide bonus for Yuggoth?
Cristo Redentor - Eye of Sauron
Globe Theatre - Mordhaus
Heroic Epic - could leave as it is
Notre Dame - Could probably leave as is (Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Oxford University - Miskatonic University
Stonehenge - definitely could leave it as it is, possible religious bonus maybe?
The Internet - Skynet
The Manhattan Project - Could leave it as it is or make it related to Adrian Viedt's alien squid thing from Watchmen
The Statue of Liberty - could leave it as is
The Statue of Zeus - Bat Signal

And for Great People:

Wilbur Whateley - Great Prophet (The Dunwich Horror/Lovecraftian lore)
Dr. Jon Osterman - Great Scientist (Watchmen)
Nathan Explosion - Great Artist (Metalocalypse)
Tony Stark - Great Engineer/Scientist (Ironman and Marvel Comics)
Bruce Wayne - Great Merchant (Batman and DC Comics)
Dr. Thaddeus Venture - Great Scientist (Venture Bros.)
Nick Fury - Great General (Marvel Comics)
L. Ron Hubbard - Great Prophet (lol..)
Aragorn the Dúnadan - Great General (The Lord of the Rings)

And just a few new leader heads:

Richard Nixon - American Empire (Futurama and Watchmen are two explicit examples)
Adrian Veidt - American Empire (Watchmen)
Nyarlathotep - Egyptian Empire (H.P. Lovecraft lore)
Fu Manchu - Chinese Empire (assuming that as a hero he is removed)


and thats all I got
 
What do you guys think of these two new leaders:

- Shango of the Mali; a legendary Yoruba king that ascended to Heaven and became an Orisha, an apect of the Supreme Being. He's a popular figure in modern Yoruba culture and aspects of his worship survived the Middle Passage.

- Khan Singh of the Indians; This is "Khan" as in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of". Traditional Trek timelines place his rise to power and reign over large parts of Asia in the 1990's, so he could easily be worked into the Fictionalization universe. Plus, India could use a second, more contemporary leader to balance Rama.
 
- Khan Singh of the Indians; This is "Khan" as in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of". Traditional Trek timelines place his rise to power and reign over large parts of Asia in the 1990's, so he could easily be worked into the Fictionalization universe. Plus, India could use a second, more contemporary leader to balance Rama.
Oh I love that idea; I've been thinking of a "Great Khanate" civ with Khan leading it...it would have its own flag,UU and UB:

UU: Exon Force....replaces Marines....these units are exclusively made up of augments (term for supermen used in ENT). they would be stronger and faster than most infantry....however you have to have the UB in the city to build it.

UB: Chrysalis lab: replaces lab...in addition to normal benefits it has no health penalty (genengineering eliminates health loss) and 25% increase in GPP (augments in population). "Chrysalis" was the project that created the Augments.

Khan's capital would be Chandigrah

For Traits I suggest Charismatic/Industrious (Khan studied engineering in college)

These ideas were derived from the "Eugenics Wars" novels by Greg Cox.
 
Oh I love that idea; I've been thinking of a "Great Khanate" civ with Khan leading it...it would have its own flag,UU and UB:

UU: Exon Force....replaces Marines....these units are exclusively made up of augments (term for supermen used in ENT). they would be stronger and faster than most infantry....however you have to have the UB in the city to build it.

UB: Chrysalis lab: replaces lab...in addition to normal benefits it has no health penalty (genengineering eliminates health loss) and 25% increase in GPP (augments in population). "Chrysalis" was the project that created the Augments.

Khan's capital would be Chandigrah

For Traits I suggest Charismatic/Industrious (Khan studied engineering in college)

These ideas were derived from the "Eugenics Wars" novels by Greg Cox.

Hm. Now I'm not sure. I hesitate to add too many new civs, mainly because it's going to be a hassle planning Legendary Units and Super Heroes (mod features that have been planned but not implemented) for fictional civs that don't have entirely fleshed out backgrounds and folklore of their own. This is why Big Brother is an English leader rather than a leader of a new Oceanian civ. And given this information, Khan might not make such a good leader for India after all (I mainly wanted him for India because he has a Sikh Indian background)

But if he is to be the leader of a Khanate, maybe I could reinstate the Mongols, with Khan Singh and Gesar as leaders?
 
Hm. Now I'm not sure. I hesitate to add too many new civs, mainly because it's going to be a hassle planning Legendary Units and Super Heroes (mod features that have been planned but not implemented) for fictional civs that don't have entirely fleshed out backgrounds and folklore of their own. This is why Big Brother is an English leader rather than a leader of a new Oceanian civ. And given this information, Khan might not make such a good leader for India after all (I mainly wanted him for India because he has a Sikh Indian background)

But if he is to be the leader of a Khanate, maybe I could reinstate the Mongols, with Khan Singh and Gesar as leaders?
Sorry for the mixup I was thinking more of an addon civ than FicIV but I think Khan would be a good choice for India in your mod(since he is one of Trek's most memorable villians) since he is a Sikh and in the EW novels he was the ruler of India....and in Greg Cox's novels, contrary to what one might think he didn't expand by brute military force but by influence and subversion.
 
Great work, cfkane! Keep it up! :goodjob:

Just some ideas, I hope you can use them:

Spoiler :

Angkor Wat - The Holy Grail
Chichén Itzá - either Bran Castle, a Romanian fortress commonly known as "Dracula's Castle" or Paititi, the legendary lost fortress of the Incas, hidden somewhere within the rain forests of southeast Peru
Hollywood - The Truman show
Notre Dame - The Lebkuchenhaus, the "house of gingerbread" from the German fairy tale "Hänsel and Gretel"
Oxford University - I fully agree to HunterThompson, Miskatonic University is an obvious choice
Scotland Yard - The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Internet - The Net, a virtually reality from Tad Williams' "Otherland" series that developed from the Internet
The Manhattan Project - The Kassen secret, a secret plan to create an atomic bomb, from the novel "The Dark Frontier"
The Mausoleum of Maussollos - The Palace of Ozymandias
The Parthenon - Mount Olympos
The Pentagon - Skynet, a sentient intelligence created for military purpose from the Terminator series or alternatively S.H.I.E.L.D. from Marvel Comics
The Space Elevator - either you keep the Space Elevator (which is actually a work of fiction) or you use the Columbiad of the Baltimore Gun Club mentioned in "From the Earth to the Moon"
The Three Gorges Dam - The Perpetuum Mobile
Versailles - Xanadu


And for new leader heads:

Atlantis - Arkantos, Atlantean hero from the video game "Age of Mythology" and Triton, son of Poseidon and father of Arielle the little mermaid
Carthage - Dido
China - Fu Manchu, a prominent Asian evil crime genius
Egypt - En Sabah Nur, better known as Apocalypse from Marvel Comics
Ethiopia - Ayesha, immortal queen from "She" and Menelik, son of Solomon and legendary first emperor
France - Joan of Arc, the Count of Monte-Christo and Philippe, the man with the iron mask and the twin brother of Louis XIV
Germany - Kriemhild from the Nibelungenlied
Greece - Theseus, king of Athens and slayer of the Minotaur
Incas - Kuzco from the animated movie "The Emperor's New Groove"
Japan - Kenji from the video game "Battle Realms"
Korea - Dangun, legendary founder of Gojoseon, the first Korean empire
Native Americans - Winnetou, Apache chief from the works of Karl May
Persia - Dastan, better known as the Prince of Persia (actually he's most of the time called "Prince of Persia", he is only named within the movie "The Sands of Time")
Rome - Titus Andronicus
Russia - Koshei the Deathless, villain from Russian folklore
Vikings - Ragnar Lodbrok, semi-legendary Norse hero and king



:hatsoff:
 
What do you guys think of these two new leaders:

- Shango of the Mali; a legendary Yoruba king that ascended to Heaven and became an Orisha, an apect of the Supreme Being. He's a popular figure in modern Yoruba culture and aspects of his worship survived the Middle Passage.

I've never heard from him, but a short look at the wikipedia article confirms, that he was a important leader -> take it.

The Three Gorges Dam - The Perpetuum Mobile

:lol: nice idea imho.




Another suggestion for a leader (for germany, because the holy romans are not in it):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Legend
 
Great work, cfkane! Keep it up! :goodjob:

Just some ideas, I hope you can use them:

Spoiler :

Angkor Wat - The Holy Grail
Chichén Itzá - either Bran Castle, a Romanian fortress commonly known as "Dracula's Castle" or Paititi, the legendary lost fortress of the Incas, hidden somewhere within the rain forests of southeast Peru
Hollywood - The Truman show
Notre Dame - The Lebkuchenhaus, the "house of gingerbread" from the German fairy tale "Hänsel and Gretel"
Oxford University - I fully agree to HunterThompson, Miskatonic University is an obvious choice
Scotland Yard - The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Internet - The Net, a virtually reality from Tad Williams' "Otherland" series that developed from the Internet
The Manhattan Project - The Kassen secret, a secret plan to create an atomic bomb, from the novel "The Dark Frontier"
The Mausoleum of Maussollos - The Palace of Ozymandias
The Parthenon - Mount Olympos
The Pentagon - Skynet, a sentient intelligence created for military purpose from the Terminator series or alternatively S.H.I.E.L.D. from Marvel Comics
The Space Elevator - either you keep the Space Elevator (which is actually a work of fiction) or you use the Columbiad of the Baltimore Gun Club mentioned in "From the Earth to the Moon"
The Three Gorges Dam - The Perpetuum Mobile
Versailles - Xanadu


And for new leader heads:

Atlantis - Arkantos, Atlantean hero from the video game "Age of Mythology" and Triton, son of Poseidon and father of Arielle the little mermaid
Carthage - Dido
China - Fu Manchu, a prominent Asian evil crime genius
Egypt - En Sabah Nur, better known as Apocalypse from Marvel Comics
Ethiopia - Ayesha, immortal queen from "She" and Menelik, son of Solomon and legendary first emperor
France - Joan of Arc, the Count of Monte-Christo and Philippe, the man with the iron mask and the twin brother of Louis XIV
Germany - Kriemhild from the Nibelungenlied
Greece - Theseus, king of Athens and slayer of the Minotaur
Incas - Kuzco from the animated movie "The Emperor's New Groove"
Japan - Kenji from the video game "Battle Realms"
Korea - Dangun, legendary founder of Gojoseon, the first Korean empire
Native Americans - Winnetou, Apache chief from the works of Karl May
Persia - Dastan, better known as the Prince of Persia (actually he's most of the time called "Prince of Persia", he is only named within the movie "The Sands of Time")
Rome - Titus Andronicus
Russia - Koshei the Deathless, villain from Russian folklore
Vikings - Ragnar Lodbrok, semi-legendary Norse hero and king



:hatsoff:

I've never heard from him, but a short look at the wikipedia article confirms, that he was a important leader -> take it.

:lol: nice idea imho.

Another suggestion for a leader (for germany, because the holy romans are not in it):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Legend

Great suggestions guys! Although I have to warn you, with the leader trait combinations being what they are, I only have room for about six more leaders. But some of these suggestions are already in the mod, albeit not necessarily in these forms. Xanadu replaces the Hermitage as a national wonder, Miskatonic replaces Sankore (since Cthulhu worship is in the mod as a religion, it made more sense to me to make Miskatonic a religious wonder), The Columbiad will replace the Apollo Program, Fu Manchu is a hero, Ayesha is a Great Prophet, Titus Andronicus is a Great General, and I've been toying with the idea of adding Koschei as a barbarian hero.

And I've already figured out a couple more wonders. I've decided to keep Notre Dame, mainly because it's too tempting to write an event involving a hunchback. Scotland Yard is replaced by The Diogenes Club from the Sherlock Holmes stories (in later works, the Club is shown to be a front for British Intelligence). Hollywood will be replaced by Vinewood, the filmmaking district of Los Santos from GTA: San Andreas. And the National Park will be replaced by the Soylent Green Plant, because of the elimination of disease from overpopulation bonus.
 
Great suggestions guys! Although I have to warn you, with the leader trait combinations being what they are, I only have room for about six more leaders.

Thanks a lot. :cooool:

If my math is correct there is room for seven additional leaders. I would suggest you add leaders for currently non-existing civs, like Menelik for Ethiopia, Dangun for Korea, etc.

Well, I've got some more ideas:

Christo Redentor - the Statue of Judgement, a monumental construction built in the remains of New York and resembling one of the Judges from the Judge Dredd series
SDI - GoldenEye, a Russian satellite weapon that is able to create a powerful electromagnetic pulse
Versailles - the Arkham Asylum for the Criminally Insane from DC Comics or alternatively Azkaban, a magical prison guarded by the dreadful Dementors from Harry Potter

Hopefully you'll finde use for some of these too:

Animal Farm: a farm ruled by animals that deafeated their human masters
Baker Street 221 B: the appartment of Sherlock Holmes
GDI: the Global Defense Initiative, a militarized branch of the UNO from the video game series Command & Conquer (how about a more military version of the UNO and the Apostolic Palace?)
Jurassic Park: a tourist park inhabitated by cloned dinosaurs
Montecito: the most successfull casino of Las Vegas, from the TV-series Las Vegas
Shipwreck Cove: the impregnable sea fortress of the pirate lords of the Brethren Court from the movie Pirates of the Caribbean III: At World's End

Also, are you familiar with Blocksberg or The Brocken? In my opinion this would be a better shrine of Witchcraft. You could possibly change Hogwarts to a replacement for Oxford University.
 
Again, good stuff. Hadn't heard of the Brocken before, but I like it! I was never really fond of the Hogwarts model I threw together anyway.

Baker Street is already in there. It's attached to a Sherlock Holmes hero unit with a special python function that will be updated in the next version.

A pirate-themed wonder might be interesting... I could base it on tsentom1's Trafalgar Square wonder. I don't know about Shipwreck Cove though, maybe there's something in the legend of the Flying Dutchman that I can swipe.

And Jurassic Park has been planned since day one. I just don't know what it would do ingame. I've been thinking about tying it in with Conan Doyle's Maple White Land from The Lost World, but that would require a whole mess of other programming that has yet to be done.
 
Jurassic Park should allow you to train Dinosaur units! Monstrous creatures of the Animal class :D
 
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