"Report: Group Claims Truce with Spain" & "Lawmakes Blame Spain, Defend War"

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A pair of interesting news stories today. It sounds like this "truce" in the first story is bogus, coming as it is from a nonexistant terrorist group, but it feeds into the attitudes that led to the Republican's action in the second story.

Associated Press

Report: Group Claims Truce With Spain
Wed Mar 17, 6:12 PM ET

CAIRO, Egypt - The Islamic militant group that claimed responsibility for last week's Madrid train bombings has called a truce with Spain to give the new government time to withdraw troops from Iraq, a London-based Arabic-language newspaper said Wednesday.

The Al Hayat daily newspaper said it received a statement from the Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri, which earlier said it orchestrated the bombings to punish Spain for supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq. The blasts killed 201 people.

But the United States believes the group, which takes its name in memory of al-Qaida's fallen No. 3, lacks credibility and its ties to al-Qaida are tenuous. In the past, the group has made claims about various events to which it was not connected — such as blackouts last year in the United States, Canada and London.

A U.S. counterterrorism official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday the latest statement should be viewed with skepticism because the group has made false claims in the past. The official said it was unclear what relationship the group has with al-Qaida.

"They claim to be al-Qaida's voice, but they're not," the official said.

On Wednesday, Moroccan authorities told The Associated Press that emerging evidence in the Madrid attacks points toward Ansar al-Islam, a guerrilla group blamed for terrorist strikes in Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and Morocco.

Some of the other Islamic groups believed to have a link to the bombings are Salafia Jihadia and Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group.

Spanish legislator Gustavo de Aristegui, a parliamentary spokesman for the ruling but outgoing Popular Party, said the Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri is "not capable of committing these attacks, much less of declaring a truce."

The group "is, according to anti-terrorism experts, not a very reliable terrorist organization because they have never really acted in any terrorist act," he told the AP.

The group's latest statement, dated March 15, will be published in Thursday's editions of Al Hayat. The paper did not provide a text Wednesday.

An editor at the Saudi-owned paper said the group announced it was stopping all activity on Spanish territory until further notice to gauge the intentions of the new government of prime minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

The group said the Madrid attacks destroyed one of the evil pillars of the Crusaders, according to the newspaper editor.

Zapatero said Wednesday the incoming government intends to stick by its pledge to withdraw the 1,300 Spanish troops from Iraq by June 30. He also criticized the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, saying it was "turning into a fiasco."

Outgoing Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, a strong supporter of President Bush in the invasion of Iraq, lost the Spanish parliamentary elections Sunday — three days after the bombings.

Last week, another Arabic newspaper, Al-Quds al-Arabi, said it received a claim of responsibility issued by the same group in the name of al-Qaida.

Spanish authorities increasingly suspect an al-Qaida-linked cell carried out the bombings.

An Arab phone salesman from Morocco, Jamal Zougam, is emerging as the key suspect in the train bombings. He was arrested two days after the attacks.

Spanish police were interrogating two other Moroccans, including Zougam's half brother, and two Indian men.

The Spanish daily El Pais reported that police also suspect five other Moroccans, who remain at large, of participating in the bombings.

By Vicki Allen

Lawmakers Blame Spain, Battle Over Iraq
Wed March 17, 2004 10:14 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Republicans charged Spain's new government with appeasing terrorists on Wednesday as politicians accused rivals of exploiting the Iraq war for election-year advantage in a bitter House of Representatives debate.

As the dust settled from a deadly explosion at a Baghdad hotel, top Republicans who control the House trained their fire on Spain. The pro-Bush government was replaced in an election on Sunday, three days after train bombings in Madrid killed 201 people, and the new government has promised to pull Spanish troops from Iraq.

"Here is a country that stood against terrorism, and had a huge terrorist act within their country, and they chose to change their government and to in a sense appease terrorists," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, of Illinois, said.

Majority Leader Tom DeLay, of Texas, said, "If we follow the example of the new Spanish government and we accept failure in Iraq and permit the victory of the terrorists, there will be no counting the number of people around the world who will suffer the consequences."

Republicans pushed through the House a resolution to mark the anniversary of the Iraq war's start and commend U.S. troops, passing it 327-93.

While many ended up voting for it to back the troops, Democrats called the resolution a politically motivated endorsement of President Bush (news - web sites)'s Iraq policies that glossed over deaths and errors of the conflict and occupation.

A line that drew fire from many Democrats said "the United States and the world have been made safer with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime from power in Iraq."

"Is it safer today in Spain? Is it safer in the Middle East? Putting it on paper doesn't mean that we're out of the conflict," said Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat.

BITTER DEBATE

Republicans said their resolution was nonpartisan, did not mention Bush, and was meant to rally lawmakers behind U.S. forces.

But Democrats called it a trap to force them to cast votes that could be used against them in November elections, either to be seen as endorsing a war many thought was a grievous mistake, or as not supporting troops.

"The mission is far from being accomplished and President Bush will be judged harshly for the tragic events of the last year," said Rep. Robert Wexler of Florida, who said Bush misled the nation into believing Iraq was an imminent threat with weapons of mass destruction and links to al Qaeda.

But Republicans touted the end of Saddam's brutal regime and Iraq's steps toward democracy. "Things have changed and it is because of the steadfastness of this president and this nation and this Congress," Hastert said before the debate.

"I'm sure that John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi will have a different view," Hastert said of the Democratic presidential nominee and the House Democratic leader.

Even though no banned weapons have been found in Iraq, DeLay called Saddam "a mass murderer sitting atop a nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons program, a ticking time bomb, a nuclear 9-11 waiting to happen."

Democrats said the resolution ignored the rising death toll among U.S. soldiers, humanitarian workers, Iraqi civilians and others, and the ongoing violence including Wednesday's car-bombing at a Baghdad hotel that killed 27 people.

"With their resolution, the Republicans are in denial as to why we went into Iraq, in denial as to the current state of stability and security in Iraq," said Pelosi, of California. (additional reporting by Joanne Kenen)
 
Of course, what better way to show a united front against terrorists than by emotionally blackmailing other states to join in .

Besides, the US only risks antagonizing relations with another EU country by accusing them of being appeasers. That has to be the ultimate act of the pot calling the kettle black.:rolleyes:
 
They must be taking lessons from the Congress Party in India:lol:
 
That prove my point again; if you dont want to suffer from terrorist attack, get out of middle est, very simple, very effective, very cheap.


Which country is the most involve in middle est ? US isnt it, who suffer from the biggest terrorist attack ? US isnt it.


Do Canada have military base everywhere in middle est ? No
Do Canada support Islamic puppets dictator, like the Saoud ? No

Did Canada suffered from terrorist attack ? No


So by attacking the US allies, the foundys clearly show their goal, They are not against our lifestyle, like Blair and Bush said, but they are against occidental's occupation and ingerence in middle est.

So for some leader, the live of their own citizen worth less then the economic/politic control of the oil reserve.
 
Originally posted by Tassadar


So by attacking the US allies, the foundys clearly show their goal, They are not against our lifestyle...


Wow, that's a relief. I haven't heard from some old email acquaintances who went to help the locals setup a chapter of the Jewish-Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual alliance in Mecca last year and was beginning to worry about their health.
 
Even though no banned weapons have been found in Iraq, DeLay called Saddam "a mass murderer sitting atop a nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons program, a ticking time bomb, a nuclear 9-11 waiting to happen."

A senior Republican official still claiming that Iraq was "a nuclear 9-11 waiting to happen"? :eek:
Is he aware that not only Saddam did not possess nuclear weapons, but that no remains of a serious nuclear effort was found?
If he is worried about a nuclear 9-11, he has better have a look at Pakistan...
 
Pakistan is an ally, Iraq was an enemy.
 
Originally posted by h4ppy
Pakistan is an ally, Iraq was an enemy.

Depend when, Irak was the war's puppet against iran, they get fool, left alone to pay the bill,they invade koweit as a retaliation,...and so on...
 
Originally posted by h4ppy
Pakistan is an ally

Iraq was also an ally, when Donny Rumsfeld went and gave good ole Saddam a hug.

Osama was also an ally as long as his stingers were trained on the russkies.

Only the Pakistani government is your ally, take a closer look at what their people think and then decide whether they are your allies or not.:p
 
Ten or 15 years from now, a future Republican president will invade Pakistan in a 'preemptive' attack.
 
Oh yeah youre right, I forgot about that. However, I can see a scenario where a case is made that an invasion is necessary to prevent them from getting long range missles. My understanding is that currently theyve got a few nukes but no long range capability. But yes, the fact that they already have nukes complicates it, like with NK.
 
I am nearly certain that I heard that Pakistan can target the whole of India (though I am not sure of wether the missiles in question can carry nuclear warheards). If that is indeed the case, it's not enough to target the US or even Europe, but it already puts most of the Middle-East, probably including Jerusalem, in their range.
If/when Musharaf gets overthrown and replaced by a fundamentalist, I forsee that some people in Washington might regret concentrating so much on Saddam's shadow nukes while ignoring Pakistan's very real arsenal.
 
Well, a Pakistani invasion may not be that far off if oh say, Musharraf was assassinated and it looks like the fundamentalists would take over.:eek:
 
Of India? Even fundamentalists would not be that stupid! If it stays convential, you would crush Pakistan, if it comes to nuclear weapons, India would do far far more damages...
A fundamentalist government would be extremly frightening, but I doubt/hope it would that stupid!
 
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