Rivals you must eliminate

civfanchambers · Feb 21, 2014

Ok, so what rival civs do you feel are a big enough threat you must deal with immediately, and why? For myself I give examples - Rome. If I encounter Rome early I want to crush or cripple them fast before they get iron working to build their praets. Another example would be Monty, Shaka, or Genghis Khan. They are aggressive, will go to war with me, so I would deal with them while they're still weak. Bring the war to them before they bring it to me. What civs/leaders do other players feel are a necessity to deal with early?

rfcfanatic · Feb 21, 2014

I don't care much about warmongers, but I think that Financial leaders are the biggest threat. Especially Mansa. If I didn't deal with them early, they would prop up everyone in tech - including warmongers. Like someone once said in these forums - warmongers make everyone else weaker, techmongers make everyone else stronger.

Of course, on some maps it's impossible to deal with them early. For example, I have seen Continets maps where another continent hosts 4 Financial leaders. These maps are a real pain.

lymond · Feb 21, 2014

Mansa makes YOU stronger. I'd only rush him if he was leaving me no choice land wise.

Warmongers have advantages when it comes to bribes. Befriend them early and sick them on rivals.

Otherwise, rivals are just any AI whose land you want

Manco Capac · Feb 21, 2014

rfcfanatic is a isolationist mercatilist, hence Mansa being a bother for him. Q.E.D.

TheSunIsDark · Feb 25, 2014

Montezuma is only a threat early game, he hardly ever builds infrastructure that isn't for an army (in a city with a 28gpt shrine intact, he only built a barracks, a forge and military). His tech pace is really slow and he often DOWs in stupid situations. His cities are quite good targets though, and when he gets mad his worst enemy is often doomed. I find him easy to wipe out though. Shaka, Genghis and Rome (either leader) are aggressive and better at teching than Monty.

strijder20 · Feb 25, 2014

Ragnar is the best techer among the warmonger thanks to his Financial trait. Alex is too crazy to make use of Phi. Hammurabi is Agg + Org too but isn't as aggressive as the other Agg leaders.

Shaka is indeed also capable of teching ahead once he gets enough land to snowball.

AW Arcaeca · Feb 25, 2014

I think anyone who's over-expansionist (Joao, anyone?) should be wiped out ASAP if in close proximity to you.

tranx · Feb 26, 2014

Mehmet...

Spoiler :

That's from an old game I played several years ago. Mehmet and I waged many wars all throughout history, but despite my building of seemingly huge armies (I trained close to 300 Cossacks in that game, lost more than 200 of them), these wars always ended in stalemates with only one or two cities being conquered back and forth. Then this happened.
Since that day, I always try my best to annihilate Mehmet as soon as possible whenever he's in the game.

I hate you Mehmet! I hate youuuuuuuuuuu! :mad:

Tatran · Feb 26, 2014

Neighbours. I don't like them.
Controlling your own landmass saves a lot of late game trouble.

LincolnOfRome · Feb 26, 2014

I don't like Toku. He isn't very friendly.

AgressiveWimp said:
I think anyone who's over-expansionist (Joao, anyone?) should be wiped out ASAP if in close proximity to you.

Yes, on higher levels he'll have like 14 cities while I am building my fourth. One of my favorite moments in civ was playing as HC on immortal and catching Joao on turn 15 with only one archer in his capital. I took out his whole civ with one quechua.

Manco Capac · Feb 26, 2014

On regular BTS, potentially, all detested AIs can become a potential great friend. On K-mod, all AIs are PITA, no matter the personality. A K-mod AI friend is a busy friend with a common worst enemy.

CivNoobie · Feb 26, 2014

I find AIs that culture pressures you very annoying

such as cathy, zara pericles etc

TheSunIsDark · Feb 26, 2014

Gandhi NEEDS to be wiped out as he's always beating you to wonders and first-to-discover bonuses. You also get some nice wonders out of conquering him. He is usually easy to beat in wars, unless he's left alone for a long time and out-techs everyone.

elmurcis · Feb 26, 2014

Anyone who got early shrine AND good land = its clear sign that they will fly away.. and most likely get lot of allies later.. have to deal with him (her) right now or.. maybe never...

GreekAnalyzer · Feb 26, 2014

All of them.

qazq2 · Feb 28, 2014

For me:
Pacal II: he isn't much of a threat but killing him makes you stronger
Suryavarman II: my archnemesis (I consider it a victory if I kill him, even if monty kills me five turns later)
Gandhi: same as Pacal
Any wonder or city spammer with a weak army near my borders (yes Justinian, found those glorious cities for my profit)

People whom I leave for later (unless forced to otherwise):
any warmonger, they will be behind in tech and make great vassals, plus they might just attack the techmonger if you ask nicely.
Mansa Musa: he makes me strong and he stays weak (usually)
any mercantilist, they tend to suck technologically
Rome: I don't like him, especially julius, but he is easier to kill when you have the rest of the world in your pocket (i.e. everyone else already capped)

In the end, I agree with Greek Analyzer - all of them.

Molybdeus · Mar 2, 2014

Zara, Joao, Suryavarman and Gilgamesh.

dohh · Mar 4, 2014

Justician, Charlemagne, Joao, Zara Jacob, Celts (if does well in game). Rest do rarely well in both, economy and military with some rare exclusions.

pandamancer · Mar 4, 2014

Joao and Gilgamesh are quite annoying as neighbors.

Alex and Isabella too because they keep begging for something and stingy in trading techs.

Barney's_Soul · Mar 24, 2014

civfanchambers said:
Ok, so what rival civs do you feel are a big enough threat you must deal with immediately, and why? For myself I give examples - Rome. If I encounter Rome early I want to crush or cripple them fast before they get iron working to build their praets. Another example would be Monty, Shaka, or Genghis Khan. They are aggressive, will go to war with me, so I would deal with them while they're still weak. Bring the war to them before they bring it to me. What civs/leaders do other players feel are a necessity to deal with early?

If popular aggressive civs are my neighbers, I try to kill them before they kill me. It would be typically too expensive to keep paying them off to stay off my back via other wars. But if they're not my neighbers I like to keep them around for war bribes. Either they keep the pesky tech whores down, or they make the whole world hate them before the tech whore vassals him, transferring the hatred to the master.

I hate civs like Zara (always strong), Mansa Musa (though at least he can be bribed into war), and Willem Van Orange and Hammurabi, as both are useless unless you're friendly with them, and even then they only will DOW someone they're annoyed/furious with.

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