Who historically, was the "first to discover liberalism"?

Lennier · Sep 6, 2014

civfanchambers said:
The culture of most societies seem subtle. American culture is IN YOUR FACE. Kinda like being hit over the head with a culture baseball bat.

So you're saying American culture is so strong that it's beating other civs' cultures?

MantaRevan · Sep 6, 2014

TheMulattoMaker said:
Well, we've only been playing for a couple hundred turns. That's a couple hundred marathon turns. We can't decide what type of victory we're going for- we built Apollo, then stopped. Whenever we go for Conquest/Dom, the WW gets too rough, even with Rushmore. We built the UN to go for Diplo, but China just has too many population points.

So we're shooting for a come-from-behind Culture upset. I mean, we're going up against civs that have been going strong for three or four thousand years. Why else would we build Broadway, Rock 'n' Roll, and Hollywood?

Rusty Edge · Sep 6, 2014

TheMulattoMaker said:
Well, we've only been playing for a couple hundred turns. That's a couple hundred marathon turns. We can't decide what type of victory we're going for- we built Apollo, then stopped. Whenever we go for Conquest/Dom, the WW gets too rough, even with Rushmore. We built the UN to go for Diplo, but China just has too many population points.

So we're shooting for a come-from-behind Culture upset. I mean, we're going up against civs that have been going strong for three or four thousand years. Why else would we build Broadway, Rock 'n' Roll, and Hollywood?

That's democracy for you, no persistent vision. :hammer2:

Everybody likes to ridicule American culture, but "Bay Watch" was the top rated TV show in the world, even when it wasn't the top show in the USA.

Actually, British culture spread pretty well, for example-

1) The English language
2) "Football"
3) Sandwiches

Drakarska · Sep 7, 2014

And even that gets confusing.

Football = Soccar
Chips = Fries
Doritos = Crisps
Coffee = Tea

Etc.

For a supposedly same contextual shared language, there seems to a bit of "WTF did he say" on both sides of the pond.

civfanchambers · Sep 7, 2014

Lennier said:
So you're saying American culture is so strong that it's beating other civs' cultures?

Yes. The 20th century was the "American" century. America may not have invented the car, but thanks to Henry Ford, the car was brought to the masses of people. America lit up the world with electricity, enabled human flight, allowed long distance communication with the telephone, gave us TV and movies. Let us not forget this fancy thing we call the internet. America helped save the world from fascism and communism. The modern world we all live in today is defined by American culture.

AdamCrock · Sep 7, 2014

civfanchambers said:
Yes. The 20th century was the "American" century. America may not have invented the car, but thanks to Henry Ford, the car was brought to the masses of people. America lit up the world with electricity, enabled human flight, allowed long distance communication with the telephone, gave us TV and movies. Let us not forget this fancy thing we call the internet. America helped save the world from fascism and communism. The modern world we all live in today is defined by American culture.

Basically it might be thanks to the fact that after the WW2 America got better "German Scientists" than Russians "German Scientists"

Radio for example wasn't invented in America but in Italy :

Over several years starting in 1894 the Italian inventor Guglielmo Marconi built the first complete, commercially successful wireless telegraphy system based on airborne Hertzian waves (radio transmission). Marconi demonstrated application of radio in military and marine communications and started a company for the development and propagation of radio communication services and equipment.

As for Television it's not only US "fault"

it was greadually developed by numerous engineers and inventors in several countries over many decades like Paul Gottlieb Nipkow from Germany, Alan Archibald Campbell-Swinton from UK, Philo Farnsworth and Vladimir Zworykin from US, etc.

Invention of the cinematograph (movies) as well as it's precursor: photography took place in France :

The first permanent photoetching was an image produced in 1822 by the French inventor Nicéphore Niépce (...)
On June 19, 1873, Eadweard Muybridge (England) successfully photographed a horse named "Sallie Gardner" in fast motion using a series of 24 stereoscopic cameras. The cameras were arranged along a track parallel to the horse's, and each camera shutter was controlled by a trip wire triggered by the horse's hooves. They were 21 inches apart to cover the 20 feet taken by the horse stride, taking pictures at one thousandth of a second. Nine years later, in 1882, French scientist Étienne-Jules Marey invented a chronophotographic gun, which was capable of taking 12 consecutive frames a second, recording all the frames of the same picture.

You are completely right about the internet though

MantaRevan · Sep 7, 2014

AdamCrock said:
You are completely right about the internet though

And to be fair, that's all that matters. :crazyeye:

AdamCrock · Sep 7, 2014

MantaRevan said:
And to be fair, that's all that matters.

Some say it's the "Satan's Tool" invented by the "Luci" himself :lol:

elitetroops · Sep 8, 2014

TheMulattoMaker said:
Well, we've only been playing for a couple hundred turns. That's a couple hundred marathon turns. We can't decide what type of victory we're going for- we built Apollo, then stopped. Whenever we go for Conquest/Dom, the WW gets too rough, even with Rushmore. We built the UN to go for Diplo, but China just has too many population points.

So we're shooting for a come-from-behind Culture upset. I mean, we're going up against civs that have been going strong for three or four thousand years. Why else would we build Broadway, Rock 'n' Roll, and Hollywood?

Culture is really tough as you don't have any buildings that would have been around long enough to double their cultural value.

Since you already lost Sushi to the Japanese, the only sensible option is really to go state property and workshop spam, then either head for space or domination. Another quick swap into Police State could spare you the war weariness. If you don't want to suffer the anarchy when changing civics, you can sacrifice Miley Cyrus for a golden age.

Lennier · Sep 8, 2014

Sounds good, except what if we're on our second or third GA?

elitetroops · Sep 8, 2014

Hmm... seems you lost Harold Camping last year, but you probably can find some other Great Prophet in the south. Then you can throw in Donald Trump if needed.

Though seriously, you guys would have won space a long time ago if you had put your beakers into Fusion instead of useless military techs like Stealth and Robotics.

Lennier · Sep 8, 2014

I'm not sure what Donald Trump is, but he's no Great Merchant. I mean, he can't even keep a casino out of bankruptcy! :shifty:

elitetroops · Sep 8, 2014

Oh, that's a shame... Bernie Madoff probably also lost his GM status already.. and you lost control of Edward Snowden. Do you have any great people left? Maybe the Mythbusters count as scientists? :rolleyes:

Mec AntiKythera · Sep 8, 2014

Lennier said:
I'm not sure what Donald Trump is, but he's no Great Merchant. I mean, he can't even keep a casino out of bankruptcy!

You are going to point that out but let him get away with suggesting that Miley Cyrus is a Great Artist? Or is my snark meter turned off?

Rusty Edge · Sep 8, 2014

elitetroops said:
Oh, that's a shame... Bernie Madoff probably also lost his GM status already.. and you lost control of Edward Snowden. Do you have any great people left? Maybe the Mythbusters count as scientists?

Well, the people on The Continent and the Nobel Prize committee seem to see Obama as some kind of Great Prophet. It baffles me like awarding Jerry Lewis the French Legion of Honor. :scan:

Regardless, America still has Sid. :king:

TheMulattoMaker · Sep 8, 2014

elitetroops said:
Since you already lost Sushi to the Japanese, the only sensible option is really to go state property and workshop spam, then either head for space or domination. Another quick swap into Police State could spare you the war weariness. If you don't want to suffer the anarchy when changing civics, you can sacrifice Miley Cyrus for a golden age.

Well, that was a complicated situation. We were trying to beeline Mass Media for the culture wonder trio and the UN, so we made a quick stop at Refrig to grab our UB. Seeing as we have all wheat and corn but no rice, we skipped Sushi for Cereal Mills, which didn't help our pure cottage econ all that much.

We had Mining Inc, but we realized that without Sushi we'd need CivJewels for the culture, so we switched. That's what probably cost us Alpha Centauri, right there, we needed those hammers.

Oh, and I'm just gonna believe that elitetroops isn't saying that we could "use" Miley like a Great Person. I think he means if she went away we'd be so much happier overall that we'd spontaneously jump into a GA, like the Marathon event, or something. :goodjob:

Lennier · Sep 8, 2014

TheMulattoMaker said:
Oh, and I'm just gonna believe that elitetroops isn't saying that we could "use" Miley like a Great Person. I think he means if she went away we'd be so much happier overall that we'd spontaneously jump into a GA, like the Marathon event, or something.

And even happier if she'd take Justin Beiber with her! :goodjob:

jackelgull · Sep 8, 2014

Justin Beiber is Canadian though.

TheMulattoMaker · Sep 8, 2014

Yeah, but he keeps coming to America. This is a Canadian attempt at culture creep, and has resulted in a +1 :mad:

from America for "You keep letting crap across our tension-causing close borders!"

Note to Canadians: You may, however, continue to send us your best hockey players, comedians, Bill Shatners, and Alex Trebeks. :thumbsup:

elitetroops · Sep 9, 2014

So he is actually a spy on a "spread culture" mission... Watch out US, them Canadians are planning to conquer you soon!!

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