Rashiminos
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Civ 4 BTS 3.13 to 3.19: 170-something MB. Groundless? No.
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Civ 4 BTS 3.13 to 3.19: 170-something MB. Groundless? No.
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BtS 3.19 had 169 MB (9 MB for the mesoamerica mod).
I don't consider 160 megabytes being small.
Edit: Way to slow.
Chalks
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Well, time will tell. My comments were directed towards the "It'll require a 1GB patch as soon as its released" idea rather than a 150mb patch quite some time afterwards.
We'll see if they release similar non optional patches given the new system.
The fact remains, "Firaxis might do something stupid" isn't a terribly stable basis for an argument.
We'll see if they release similar non optional patches given the new system.
The fact remains, "Firaxis might do something stupid" isn't a terribly stable basis for an argument.
Tylerryan79
Emperor
Thanks Chalks, paying 10 bucks for dial up may or may not be worth it, i dont kno. I'll just bring my rig back and forth every couple of months to update if I have to. I'm just hoping that steam doesnt do a lot of small tiny updates, and only one large one every few months.
Do you happen to know if that is the case?
Do you happen to know if that is the case?
Cities XL, my expensive coaster is sitting in its box because it had a 500Meg+ update required to be downloaded before first use, and only from the launch screen. This was verified by the makjers by e-mail.
As to transfering the entire game, Maybe I'm behind the curve, but last I checked, every game installs to a computer in a unique installation, based on the specific hardware and the locations of all preloaded softwares locations on the hard-drive(s). How would it be possible to transfer a game if the videocard was not identical, and its drivers were not in precisely the same locations on the drive? This doesn't make sense. I suspect you transfered a complete pre-install copy of the game.
It is possible that CIV V might allow the required downloads to pick up where they left off, which Cities XL flat refused to do, but this is one of the questions that I asked 2K Elizabeth on the 2K forum, and was told that she would have to find out. That was last week, and as of my last look at that forum, there still was no answer.
As to transfering the entire game, Maybe I'm behind the curve, but last I checked, every game installs to a computer in a unique installation, based on the specific hardware and the locations of all preloaded softwares locations on the hard-drive(s). How would it be possible to transfer a game if the videocard was not identical, and its drivers were not in precisely the same locations on the drive? This doesn't make sense. I suspect you transfered a complete pre-install copy of the game.
It is possible that CIV V might allow the required downloads to pick up where they left off, which Cities XL flat refused to do, but this is one of the questions that I asked 2K Elizabeth on the 2K forum, and was told that she would have to find out. That was last week, and as of my last look at that forum, there still was no answer.
The Angry Tuna
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I have been using steam for years. If you don't connect to the internet with it you just don't receive automatic updates.
I used Steam without connecting it to the internet for 15 months while I was in Iraq and had 0 problems. Seriously, steam is free and you get sales on games that you can't find in the stores, I really have no idea why there is so much controversy surrounding this.
I used Steam without connecting it to the internet for 15 months while I was in Iraq and had 0 problems. Seriously, steam is free and you get sales on games that you can't find in the stores, I really have no idea why there is so much controversy surrounding this.
Steam doesn't make the patches, so it's probably gonna be much like with Civ IV.
GhostWriter16
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I agree with this.
Ddude97
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^His first post!
@Domination3000 - ? Agree with what? @ your sig, I've always known it was a Republic, can I have a cookie?
@Sterf - How so? Civ 4 doesn't require steam
2K Elizabeth
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I just triple confirmed this with the devs and Valve. Yes, that will work. If you want multiplayer, to earn achievements, or to get the game updates and content you'll need to go back out there and hook up again, but you will definitely be able to play offline without a connection. Steam will start, but the internet connection won't.
Well, steam doesn't make the patches, firaxis does. Steam just distributes them, they don't alter them or put any evil spyware or whatever you people think in it or anything. In terms of patching you'll get the same as with IV, it'll just be distributed through the steam platform.
It'll be just as when you bought Civ IV on steam as in they supply the patches but don't have anything to do with them otherwise.
I'm still waiting, on this or the 2K forum, for your answer about transfering update and patch files.
I know you said you would have to find out, but its been over a week. I have to think you just don't want to publicly admit that this will not be allowed.
If that is true (my apologies if it is not) that is shameful. Not that you won't allow it, but that you won't admit it.
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Ah. I understand what you meant now
Edit: Congratulations The Angry Tuna for joining CFC (his first post)
I wasn't aware of that. That means I don't get it whether I want to or not. I'm on a wireless network with limited bandwidth, and that is way over my maximum allowed. Good move using Steam Firaxis!
I think a very important question is being missed here because everyone is focusing on how steam operates rather than the game that uses it.
Steam doesn't require you to be actually online in order to run a game after the initial activation, but what of the particular game itself? There doesn't seem to be any assurance from 2K that the game executable itself won't force a user to be online even when playing single player. While that in itself does not mean that it will force them, the possibility exists. It is fair to want an official answer about this given what we do know already about the activation requirements and what is happening with certain other games lately.
Steam doesn't require you to be actually online in order to run a game after the initial activation, but what of the particular game itself? There doesn't seem to be any assurance from 2K that the game executable itself won't force a user to be online even when playing single player. While that in itself does not mean that it will force them, the possibility exists. It is fair to want an official answer about this given what we do know already about the activation requirements and what is happening with certain other games lately.
mjs0
The 4th X
Actually, this very question was answered by a 2K rep in another thread.
The relevant section is:
w7 only, though it also works with DX9&10 too
Vista is limited to DX10
same way according to 2KElizabeth
Who said there would a 1GB patch?
person may not realize that 56k is kilobits since most think kb is in kilobytesSomeone isn't doing his math correctly...
1 gigabyte or 8 gigabits of data is approximately 8000000000 bits. Divide by 56000 bits per second (ideally) ~ 142858 seconds ~ 40 hours. I could be more exact, but I think you can get the point.
probably more like a couple megabytes, the one time I used dial up ended in me beating the modem with a heavy textbook and then a hammer followed by the good ol' chuck it out the window... To this day I loath 56k
Company representative are not company-wide Omnipotent
I don't think there will be 1 Gigabyte download, maybe a GigaBIT (128 Megabytes)I wasn't aware of that. That means I don't get it whether I want to or not. I'm on a wireless network with limited bandwidth, and that is way over my maximum allowed. Good move using Steam Firaxis!
No, it will also run DirectX 11. At least according to what I've been reading on the net.
I'd like to know that as well.
Well I hope that's case, it would be awfully stupid requiring a download that large. It would pretty much exclude all dial-up users, and even many broadband ones that have a limited bandwidth arrangement with their ISPs. It would also make buying a retail version a farce. At 1 gig you'd only be buying an installer, not the game itself.
Honestly, there is no middle ground on this issue, outside of Steam becoming like Impulse (and even Impulse is too far for some anti-Steamers)
This is a console fanboy war, just without the consoles.
I've used Steam, I don't like it one bit. I am willing to use other DD platforms.
I think the best approach to fighting this is not so much a boycott of Civ 5 (though if you don't like Steam don't buy it), but to buy games from vendors with better DRM policies.
Add in my concerns about what would happen if Valve gets a dominant market share and you can see why people are hopping mad over this.
That said, I don't think Steam will brick people computers- or that Steam is likely to brick people's games. I do believe that fans of the series will be nickel-and-dimed on DLC, and if Civ on Steam works, the expansions will go harder in that direction. That said, Paradox has done the nickel-and-diming themselves with HoI3, and that game suffered from it, despite being no-DRM.
Really, if it was just one factor I was unhappy with, I'd probably grumble and get on with it- but it's a combination of things.
I apologize, I possessed out dated information, thank you for correcting me
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