Yeah, especially when compared to Darius in a situation like this. Half of CHA and IMP are wasted at least for the early game and the settler boost is not as important when you don't need to compete for tiles. You'd think that Agg/Pro would be even worse for this, but those at least give their benefits without war experience.
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Sanguivorant
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Would an isolated start in a medium-sized landmass with raging barbarians on be good or bad, what do you guys think?
I see it in two ways.
If I allow myself to be raided like crazy by barbarians, then it is a bad idea, and it might greatly restrict my expanding capabilities on my little landmass.
However, they do provide target practice for my military units, so that I can bring promoted units to invade the old world.
I see it in two ways.
If I allow myself to be raided like crazy by barbarians, then it is a bad idea, and it might greatly restrict my expanding capabilities on my little landmass.
However, they do provide target practice for my military units, so that I can bring promoted units to invade the old world.
I usually play without any barbarians because the AI sometimes gets in trouble with them. It may slow you down too, but less. It depends a bit on what medium-sized means. I assume you mean roughly the same area one AI has. Upgrading ancient 10XP units doesn't seem terribly interesting for me in general. Barbarian boats can be an annoyance, and you'll want your cities in the fog areas anyway.
Chrysheight
Chieftain
Worst start (no pic sorry): Pangaea low sealevel, monarch difficulty. One resource: wheat at my start location, and I was cut off from the coast by tons of mountains. No resources near me and expanding meant that my pitiful economy was flushed and my army was disbanded. Then Egypt came and slaughtered me instantly.
blitzkrieg1980
Octobrist
Sounds like a horrible start. Can you post 4000BC save? I'd be interested in trying to overcome it. Glutton for punishment over here.
Sanguivorant
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I rolled a pretty crappy start. After several turns of exploring, I find out that I am isolated, and have only food and some strategic resource, not even one luxury resource. I started work on the Great Wall with the assumption that there is a large landmass to the south of me and I could just plot cities like mad. I wish I had the inital save, then maybe someone could attempt it.
I can't remember the map settings, but if anyone wants to take the save from here and play it out.
I can't remember the map settings, but if anyone wants to take the save from here and play it out.
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I'm going for it right now. However, I wish you had the initial save. Not sure I want the GW! And I'm not sure that start is terribly horrible. Depending on the level I'd rate it in the 3-4 range. No way great but should be doable.
Edit: Can't load the save. And yep, I have K-mod already and it still doesn't work. Hummm, maybe I have wrong version of K-mod. Either way I can't start =-/.
Edit: Can't load the save. And yep, I have K-mod already and it still doesn't work. Hummm, maybe I have wrong version of K-mod. Either way I can't start =-/.
Sanguivorant
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I downlpaded K-Mod like 5 days ago, so my version is very recent.
Sanguivorant
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That's strange, because I also have V_144B.
I don't really know what it is.
Sorry for the inconvenience. I will just use vanilla from now on to find bad starts.
I don't really know what it is.
Sorry for the inconvenience. I will just use vanilla from now on to find bad starts.
Not the best start in the world. I've already played like 50turns so I loaded up the initial save and took the starting screen shot and then went into WB so I could save the game and to reveal more land for those curious.
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blitzkrieg1980
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I'd rather have no river no happy and a good food resource. No food start is really hard IMO. Those crucial early turns are stunted without a decent food tile. Sure you can chop but you better be chopping settlers and workers to get some food! I would never chop out Mids with a no food start. Talk about getting blocked in! Without food, trees are your only real means of settler production. Why would you use nearly all of them for the Mids? You can't feed a high population nor specialists nor will you have much use for police state or US that early in the game.
Commerce is actually the only thing he do have a bit of with two furs.
Chopping settlers makes a lot more sense. Being Persia he's also either CHA/IMP or FIN/ORG. So that's faster settlers or more commerce and cheaper maintenance.
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isn't that amazing and without stone or IND pyramids takes so many chops to get. Scientists are tile-efficient, but not actually pop-efficient. And it's not like that city is strong enough to carry the game, so after pyramids, then what? You'll have no production left!
Chopping settlers makes a lot more sense. Being Persia he's also either CHA/IMP or FIN/ORG. So that's faster settlers or more commerce and cheaper maintenance.
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isn't that amazing and without stone or IND pyramids takes so many chops to get. Scientists are tile-efficient, but not actually pop-efficient. And it's not like that city is strong enough to carry the game, so after pyramids, then what? You'll have no production left!Similar threads
