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Joshua368 · Jan 27, 2009

Lord Parkin said:
Are huts within a certain distance of your capital immune to spawning barbs? Hmm, I wasn't aware of that.

Or do you mean that the huts were close enough that they were obtained by border expansions from the capital?

I don't know exactly what the limit is, but I've heard there's a "buffer" around your capital so that you can't pop a barb, have it kill your unit, and then march into your undefended capital.

I mean I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere.

Lord Parkin · Jan 27, 2009

Hmm, it'd be interesting to test if this is actually true. If it's true, I'd be interested to know the exact dimensions (tilewise) of this "safe zone".

Joshua368 · Jan 27, 2009

Well for the record, how far away in tiles was your barb hut?

One of my huts was popped via borders, the other two huts were three and four tiles away from the capital. (the city itself, not the borders) Of course not getting barbs doesn't really prove anything.

Searching for where I read this is difficult, can't think of any decent keywords! >_>

Lord Parkin · Jan 27, 2009

Joshua368 said:
Well for the record, how far away in tiles was your barb hut?

3 down, 7 to the right of the capital (also the starting location).

Joshua368 said:
One of my huts was popped via borders, the other two huts were three and four tiles away from the capital. (the city itself, not the borders) Of course not getting barbs doesn't really prove anything.

Yeah... it could just have been a fluke. Maybe instead you can't get barbs from a hut for a certain number of turns, like 10? Or maybe there's no restriction at all.

Lord Parkin · Jan 27, 2009

Lord Parkin said:
Maybe instead you can't get barbs from a hut for a certain number of turns, like 10?

Scratch that, just realised I hit the barbs on turn 7.

Joshua368 · Jan 27, 2009

Okay, I went ahead and set up a test. I think I got solid results, but you can try it out yourself if you want, the save is attached. The answer is you are safe at and below seven tiles from capital, though in a large diamond (so diagonals can be dangerous)

Six rows of three huts from a 10-culture capital, deity level, random seed on reload.

Being deity level, the sixth row (eight tiles from capital) should very likely give you at least one set of barbs. If you don't get it right away, it should not take much reloading until it happens. Sometimes all three will be barbs!

However all the other rows will never get barbs EVER. I reloaded dozens of times and got different results due to random seed, but never barbs. :goodjob:

There is a sort of star pattern though, not certain on its shape. But take the three safe huts on the fifth row (furthest safe), and a hut one tile left or right will not be safe. Like: x o o o x

Edit: Began this before you I saw your post. However you certainly can get barbs on turn 1, at least on deity. However your initial warrior will take a few turns to get out of the safety zone... Also according to my findings, your hut would have been just two tiles out of it.

Lord Parkin · Jan 28, 2009

Ah, right... the diamond will be in the "standard" shape of cultural borders and air missions, I bet.

Good stuff to know, anyway. Thanks for checking it out.

Lord Parkin · Jan 28, 2009

Hmm, so it's probably better (when you start with a Warrior) to circle around your capital first when exploring...

Clamburger · Jan 28, 2009

Joshua368 said:
:words:

My brain cannot process all this information! :scan:

Clearly we need a diagram of some sort.

Joshua368 · Jan 28, 2009

Clamburger said:
My brain cannot process all this information!

Clearly we need a diagram of some sort.

CHART!!!

Blue line is my best guess of where the safety barriar is. White are places where I tested and was unable to pop a barb hut after repeated tries. Brown tundra outside the barrier are places where I did pop barbs. Also note that this shape is legendary culture + 1.

The pointy corners seem questionable, like they should be shaved off, but I never popped barbs on those squares so maybe that's just luck.

And of course if you have a scout none of this matters anyway.

DMOC · Jan 28, 2009

Interesting, so Lord Parkin popped barbarians just outside of the "barrier."

hell_hound · Jan 28, 2009

Sorry for the delay, the turn started seconds after I turned off my computer yesterday.

Joshua368 · Jan 28, 2009

Wow, a lot of civs forewent building worker first to get a size 2 capital... the entire Top 5 list is size two! (including one founded 3960 BC... aka Toch) Well, enjoy your slower starts I guess.

DMOC · Jan 28, 2009

They must have had forest-heavy start and thus a worker would be useless.

plako · Jan 28, 2009

Sea food and work boat is not that bad start either.

hell_hound · Jan 28, 2009

I am size 1 and fourth.

Joshua368 · Jan 28, 2009

Yeah I guess with all the Willems and Ragnars we could have had a lot of workboat starts.

Workers first in forest heavy starts are only useless if your only food is cattle...

DMOC · Jan 28, 2009

Yes. (Hint hint...Lord Parkin...)

hell_hound · Jan 28, 2009

You just described my start

Lord Parkin · Jan 28, 2009

Joshua368 said:
Blue line is my best guess of where the safety barriar is. White are places where I tested and was unable to pop a barb hut after repeated tries. Brown tundra outside the barrier are places where I did pop barbs. Also note that this shape is legendary culture + 1.

The pointy corners seem questionable, like they should be shaved off, but I never popped barbs on those squares so maybe that's just luck.

And of course if you have a scout none of this matters anyway.

Thanks, very interesting and useful. The pointy corners actually seem to be sensible, since they're present in all of the border expansions at level 3 and beyond.

DMOC said:
Interesting, so Lord Parkin popped barbarians just outside of the "barrier."

Yeah... exactly 1 tile on the wrong side, to be exact. Man, that was unlucky.

Joshua368 said:
Yeah I guess with all the Willems and Ragnars we could have had a lot of workboat starts.

I wonder if I'm the odd one out as being the only Willem/Ragnar who didn't start coastally...

Joshua368 said:
Workers first in forest heavy starts are only useless if your only food is cattle...

DMOC said:
Yes. (Hint hint...Lord Parkin...)

The Worker I am building will definitely not be useless. So I'm quite happy with my choice.

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