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Subdued Animals in C2C discussions
- Thread starter Dancing Hoskuld
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JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Well that throws that one out then. So why does the AI build so many? When in reality they are weaker units than normal Archer/melee units.
JosEPh
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Those animals are probably cheaper for the strength. Also there's some disharmony in unit ability evaluations as that portion of the unit 'valuation' project has gone incomplete since Koshling's discontinued participation. It's on my list of things to address in full at some point soon. There's a number of steps to take to make this all right and it's very labor intensive.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
They were never meant as military units. They were meant to be civilian units to spread the animal buildings. Same with subdued animals really.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
Agreed. And spreading them for animal builds is great, but as Joe said they do use them an awful lot for some reason?? I use them strictly for the buildings.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
I use for the animal builds but the AI uses them as mil units. They send them in attack stacks. They have also been used to attack workers.
Does that mean someone has given them a UNIT_COMBAT_AI? When they were not designed for it?
JosEPh
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Some of them are appropriate for combat units... a few. Not most.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I think that may be far to late. It is not so much how many columns between the techs but the path you have taken. If you go for bronze working for the civics then it will take a long time before you get to Veterinary medicine because it is on a different branch.
edit perhaps leasure would be a better tech?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Too late for what? For spreading herds and stuff with them? The Great Farmer is not until the beginning of the Medieval Era at Agricultural Tools (x45) and and Veterinary Medicine (x31) is at the end of the Ancient Era. That basically gives all of the Classical Era as a buffer.
And like I said it actually gives the tech much more worth to research. Especially since it is on that separate branch. Thus giving the player a choice "Beeline to Bronze or Veterinary Medicine?" or even have the layer balance both going on both branches.
To me it just seems Bronze Working is way too strong in that you can unlock Tin, Bronze Buildings, Bronze Units, Lots of Cultures, Plus Despotism and Junta civics. Having the ability to spread livestock to other cities then seems like a bit overkill for one tech. Especially when all Veterinary Medicine unlocks is one building.
While Leisure is just as empty as Veterinary Medicine, I am not sure if Leisure really has anything to do with Animal Taming. At least Veterinary Medicine involved animals and was only 2 columns down from Bronze Working.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Perhaps a new tech could solve this?
I disagree that Leisure would have nothing to do with animals as it certainly would seem to have something to do with spending time with your pets. But I do understand the argument for Vet Medicine (though healing pets and training them do seem to be quite different things.)
I disagree that Leisure would have nothing to do with animals as it certainly would seem to have something to do with spending time with your pets. But I do understand the argument for Vet Medicine (though healing pets and training them do seem to be quite different things.)
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
What do people do with their spare time? They train animals.
Without animals why do you need Veterinary Medicine?
They were put at Bronze Working because it was at about the correct time. This means that preferably they need to be in that column. Perhaps Specialization which is only one column earlier.
Without animals why do you need Veterinary Medicine?They were put at Bronze Working because it was at about the correct time. This means that preferably they need to be in that column. Perhaps Specialization which is only one column earlier.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
What do people do with their spare time? They train animals.
They were put at Bronze Working because it was at about the correct time. This means that preferably they need to be in that column. Perhaps Specialization which is only one column earlier.
+1 on the Specialization idea.
JosEPh
What do people do with their spare time? They train animals.
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I disagree - with Leisure, you do sports, you relax, you do hobbies, you play with animals. etc.
You do not train them - that is more time consuming and not leisuire but a vocation.
But, if you keep animals for leisure (not training) - yes you eventually need Veterinary Medicine.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
@DH
One of the things that has bugged people about the Myths is that their +
goes away after awhile. How about at the tech you have them gain a +1 
to add to the culture's lore? That way its not so much of a loss when then goes away.
One of the things that has bugged people about the Myths is that their +
goes away after awhile. How about at the tech you have them gain a +1 to add to the culture's lore? That way its not so much of a loss when then goes away.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
@DH
One of the things that has bugged people about the Myths is that their +
Almost all of them now convert from
to education of the same value now.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Almost all of them now convert from
They do? I don't see it on the myth buildings in the civpedia.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
Looks like I only have the element and terrain ones done so far.
edit That is not the case. With the animals when the myth looses the the story gets the education but we can't have it upgrade because some myths contribute to some buildings so you can only have one.
edit That is not the case. With the animals when the myth looses the
the story gets the education but we can't have it upgrade because some myths contribute to some buildings so you can only have one.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Looks like I only have the element and terrain ones done so far.
edit That is not the case. With the animals when the myth looses the
I was not suggesting upgrade I was suggesting say at Literature -1
and +1 .
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</TechCommerceChanges>Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
It does not fit well with what I want to do with these buildings.
I am in the process of changing the lot of animal myths and stories by having Religious Resources so you will have to choose between making a Myth - Elephant or Myth - African Elephant or bonus Spotted Fur Capes. Then have that bonus apply to the religion buildings instead. It works better with the evolving religion stuff I want and separates the two concepts allowing for the myths to obsolete or upgrade.
I have been thinking that as we get more animals and specific myths for them we could expand the Cultures to require some of them. Eg Maori could require Myth of the Moa as well as what it does now. Apparently Moa means chicken which is supposed to be why the Maori did not bring chickens with them when they settled New Zealand.
I am in the process of changing the lot of animal myths and stories by having Religious Resources so you will have to choose between making a Myth - Elephant or Myth - African Elephant or bonus Spotted Fur Capes. Then have that bonus apply to the religion buildings instead. It works better with the evolving religion stuff I want and separates the two concepts allowing for the myths to obsolete or upgrade.
I have been thinking that as we get more animals and specific myths for them we could expand the Cultures to require some of them. Eg Maori could require Myth of the Moa as well as what it does now. Apparently Moa means chicken which is supposed to be why the Maori did not bring chickens with them when they settled New Zealand.
