C2C - Units

Currently im test playing China on Large map/Warlord dif./Marathon and 6 civs and what I see is that units are soo cheap. My 3 biggest cities can spam 2-3 best units in turn. After few turns I have huuuge army and everything start slowing down. But for more I mostly need that amount of units because city and fort defenses are very strong.

I know this subject was grinded in past but I think we still need re-think unit costs, strength and defense.
Size matters is the partial answer to this problem and as we know this option has some troubles too.
 
If you feel Size Matters has troubles, I would be interested to hear the feedback. Most of its 'problems' I believe have been resolved though some deeper AI is still in order.

TBH, the fact that units themselves may be built so quickly is one of the things I love about the mod. It goes a long ways towards allowing nations to react to invasions with an ability to put up a fight fairly quickly and given the cost and volume of buildings, cities don't seem to ever get much time to just sit around building wealth or research. Invasion plans don't take so long to prepare and thus there's not such a large chance (on any speed) that if you take the time to build an effective force you'll find you need to upgrade them by the time it comes together.

I'm deep into the classical in a test run though so I can't speak for farther into the game yet.
 
Hydromancerx said:
@Yudishtira

Did you ever make the Camel units posted awhile back?
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I made them but TB didn't want to review units again so I'm waiting for the new version...
 
Ok going to go over some Infantry stuff.

|Strength|Tech|X
Brute|1|None|X0
Clubman|2|Tool Making|X4
Spiked Clubman|3|Piercing|X7
Stone Maceman|3|Composite Tools|X10
Obsidian Swordsman|5|Obsidian Weapons|X13
Light Swordsman|7|Iron Working|X33
Swordsman|10|Smithing|X38
Heavy Swordsman|13|Armor Crafting|X46
Musketman|20|Flintlock|X54
Rifleman|26|Rifling|X59
Trench Infantry|30|Trench Warfare|X72
Infantry|34|Automatic Weapons|X74
Modern Infantry|50|Automatic Weapons AND Manufacturing|X78
Power Armored Infantry|90|Powered Exoskeleton|X94
?|?|?|?
Cyborg|200|Cybernetics|X107
Super Soldier|220|Homo Superior|X109
?|?|?|?
Disintegration Infantry|?|Weaponized Disintegration|X124
Antimatter Infantry|?|Weaponized Antimatter|X126
4D Infantry|?|Transverse Euclidean Geometry|X131

Some other Infantry that may or many not fit in that upgrade chain.

|Strength|Tech|X
Railgun Infantry|?|Wireless Electricity|X103
Laser Infantry|?|Photon Thermodynamics|X104

Flame/Plasma
Arsonist -> Ancient Flamethrower -> Flamethrower -> Modern Flamethrower -> Plasmathrower

Clones
Clone Infantry -> Automatons -> Genetic Soldier -> Super Soldier

Robot/Androids
Walker Droid -> Droid Infantry -> Android Infantry -> Hi-Tech Robot
 
@Yudishtira

Ok so back to UUs for cultures that have none yet.

Pictish Warrior
Graphic: Here (Swordsman [No Shirt])
Icon: ?
Type: Melee (and Stuff)
Strength: 7
Movement: 1
Cost: 80
Req Tech: Iron Working
Req Resource: Copper Wares OR Bronze Wares OR Iron Wares
Req Building: -
Upgrades To: Swordsman

Special Abilities

  • +20% City Attack
  • Starts with Formation I and Goad I

Notes: Use Light Swordsman as a Base.

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Texas Ranger
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Type: Mounted (and Stuff) AND Law Enforcement
Strength: 27
Movement: 2
Cost: 420
Req Tech: Military Tradition AND Rifling
Req Resource: Texas AND Horse AND Ammunition AND Firearms
Req Building: Horse Trainer
Upgrades To: Trench Calvary OR Police Car

Special Abilities

  • Same Stats as Calvary
  • Add Policing I, Policing II and Policing III

Notes: Use Calvary as a Base. Basically a Calvary unit that gets Policing Promotions. Which mounted units cannot normally get.

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Thanks! :goodjob:
 
I did the Texas Ranger some time ago, but the horse keeps coming out in team colour, and we could not find a way to fix it.

I did an Oceanian canoe unit that had a graphic problem and I was likewise unable to proceed with (Kora-Kora I think).
 
Hydromancerx said:
@Yudishtira

Ok so back to UUs for cultures that have none yet.

Pictish Warrior
Graphic: Here (Swordsman [No Shirt])
Icon: ?
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@Sparth

I'm testing this unit now. Will you be doing/can you do a button for it soon? I would just like to skip the hassle of making a button if it is to be replaced immediately.

If you're otherwise engaged and won't be doing it for a week or more, I'll make one.

ETA: It's a Pictish Light Swordsman replacement
 
Yudishtira said:
@Sparth

I'm testing this unit now. Will you be doing/can you do a button for it soon? I would just like to skip the hassle of making a button if it is to be replaced immediately.

If you're otherwise engaged and won't be doing it for a week or more, I'll make one.

ETA: It's a Pictish Light Swordsman replacement
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Easiest way, upload unit with placeholder button (or without button at all) and Ill create button ASAP.
 
Sparth said:
Easiest way, upload unit with placeholder button (or without button at all) and Ill create button ASAP.
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Okay will do:goodjob:. I think it's got a Swordsman button at the moment so I'll leave that.
 
@Yudishtira

Chrome Infantry
Graphic: (See Attachment)
Icon: ?
Type: Clone (and Stuff)
Strength: 100
Movement: 1
Cost: 1600
Req Tech: Gene Enhancement
Req Resource: Ammunition AND Firearms
Req Building: Fertility Clinic
Upgrades To: Clone Infantry

Special Abilities

  • Can Perform Ranged Attacks
  • Ranged Accuracy +25%
  • Ranged Assault Damage +15%
  • Ranged Assault Damage Limit +35%
  • Cost +1:gold: Per Turn

Notes: Use Clone Infantry as a Base.

Have the Modern Infantry upgrade to this too.

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Thanks! :goodjob:
 

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@Yudishtira

Another UU.

Matnu
Graphic: Here (Use the Hittite one)
Icon: ?
Type: Archers (and Stuff)
Strength: 5
Movement: 1
Cost: 35
Req Tech: Bronze Working
Req Resource: Akkadian
Req Building: -
Upgrades To: Longbowman

Special Abilities

  • +50% City Defense
  • +25% Hill Defense
  • 1 First Strike
  • Can Perform Ranged Attacks
  • Ranged Assault Accuracy +5%
  • Ranged Assault Damage +5%
  • Ranged Assault Damage Limit +5%
  • Immune from Collateral Damage from Siege Weapons
  • Starts with Garrison I

Notes: Use Composite Bowman as a Base.

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Thanks! :goodjob:
 
Hydromancerx said:
Have the Modern Infantry upgrade to this too.
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Um, do you mean change Modern Infantry to upgrade to this, or add this as an option for Modern Infantry to upgrade to? (I'm guessing the latter but please confirm)

ETA: Any suggestions for the Chrome Infantry animation? I've tried marines, rifleman & oromo. Marines is the closest so far, but they all put the gun away to the right of the model.

I suppose there's more I can try, but suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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