Unique Unit Elimination Thread

SOMEONE GAVE THE ZERO 3 DOWNVOTES PRESUMABLY BECAUSE THEY WERE CONFUSED OVER WHAT ARAND SAID

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 23
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 12
Legion 20
Longbowman 23
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 20
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 18
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 10

USE THIS LIST INSTEAD

also I'm down for what arand said, but lets wait until the next unit dies okay guys.

I love the Keshik dance, and Landsknecht are just cheaper but have no powers.

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 22
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 23
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 20
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 18
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 10

BasedGod said:

SOMEONE GAVE THE ZERO 3 DOWNVOTES PRESUMABLY BECAUSE THEY WERE CONFUSED OVER WHAT ARAND SAID

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That would've been me, and yes I was confused by what he said (Although All Caps I don't think was that necessary)

I think I understood correctly in that we are still doing -2 for now? Feel free to correct. It is late here, so I very well could have misread the thread due to fatigue.

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 23
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 23
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 20
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 18
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 8 [/QUOTE]

I've always preferred Camels over Keshiks. They've always felt more flexible to me when considering the Civ as a whole. Which while this thread is UU's, still something I think is important to consider. Example: Jag's on any other Civ would lose a big part of what makes them so great; their heal on kill has decent synergy with their UA (constant barb sniping for early culture as opposed to spending your time healing up)

Zero because... Zero. I'm sure every player feels like they end up with just the UA and one unique when rolling Japan. May as well outright ignore its existence.

it would be nice to have three votes: +1, -1 and -2. woudn't take so long...

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 23
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 23
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 20
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 8

Let's take the Slinger down a peg. It doesn't synergise with other Incan uniques, being knocked back can cause more harm than good if you have a strong formation (particularly if you upgrade these to Gatling Guns and beyond) and less base strength can make these worse than the generic unit in a range of situations. They make good Scout Archers, but seem pratically a downgrade otherwise.

And up goes the Battering Ram. I love that thing, it's like the Que'cha of Civ 5, but more fun.

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 20 it is so annoying to have a unit that cannot attack units.
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 20
Camel Archer 23
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 24 The longbowman is amazing because it can stay out of the range of all ranged units until artillery.
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 20
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 8

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 20
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 23
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 8

Bowmen are such -blah- units. Its almost like not having a UU.
Minutemen are an excellent gunpowder unit. I feel they deserve more love than they get.

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 20
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 6

Camel Archers are just insane.
In MP, spawning by someone as Arabia is a horrifying prospect.

Zero is utter garbage, and so late in the game it rarely matters.

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21(+1)
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4(-2)


Zero: just useless, i have played more than 1000 hours of civ, and plane on plane combat, has happend maybe twice.

Battering ram: just so strong. Free cityes everywhere!

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 23
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 10
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

Ship of the Line: man, I love boats, they are very useful... specially those frigates. Now, here we've got a cheaper, stronger big boat. Also, very fast, because you are England. I love playing England mostly because of this (actually not, England's great on every unique it has, IMO). Who wouldn't want a big good powerful quick frigate? Amazing.

Maori Warrior: 10% reduction for your enemies, and nothing more than that... geez. Compare it to the Jaguar (+33% on jungle, heals 25HP upon killing and I think I'm not remembering something else it does, long time since I'm Montezuma EDIT: it is woodsman! almost a scout!)... I know it has some synergy with the UA, giving +10% to your units that are 2 tiles from a Moai, but it comes so early it is hard to spam without crippling yourself. Then again, I'd rather spam Jaguars :/

Atlatist 18
B17 20
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 20
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

CKNs are being neglected. Can't have a powerful double attack unit fall to the camel archers/keshiks.

Landsknecht: again, unit with no difference in combat, just cheaper to make.

Atlatist 18
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 20
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 20
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4


b17: Upgrade from great war bombers for cheap and very hard to kill with their auto evasion promo not to mention the free siege 1. higher strength than normal bomber too. You are going to be massing bombers so this guy gets lots of use and I like them a lot and you can get them very good promos with pretty much no risk of losing them even from a braindead attk into interception / aa guns.

Mehal Sefari: you are rarely going to be getting the capital bonus since if you are defending your capital from invasion at rifling you are not exactly in the best position imo and also just the fact they replace riflemen......dont exactly want to be massing melee units maybe like 1 or 2 at most in most situations to fortify in front of your ranged guys. Just use mounted unit to fly in and cap cities. When I am ethiopia i barely even use these guys.

Atlatist 18
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 21
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

You guys skipped my vote...

Atlatist 16
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 20
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

Warrior + Upgrade runes = Half the cities by turn 100
Atlatlist is just not appealing to me

Atlatist 16
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 18
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 18
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 22
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

Cataphract-Probably going to get flamed for this one but it's stronger than a swordsman and has that extra movement. Can fortify to heal so it can actually protect your ranged units and the reduced penalty v. cities combined with the increased str. gives it approximately the same str against cities as a spearman. Underrated unit that's also kind of underused since Byzantium is always so focused on religion in the early game.

Comanche Rider-Kind of boring for a newer UU. If I wanted faster cavalry I'd just play Mongolia.

Atlatist 16
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 18
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 16
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 23
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4


Siege tower: Deserves more recognition, as it is one of the 4 units that is basically the sole reason the civ is used at all (The other 3 being the Battering Ram, Keshik and Impi) Without the tower, Assyria's UA becomes very inconsequential and the civ is trash.

Mehal Sefari: Just not worth having. Your capital shouldn't be under siege often

What happened to Carthage's African Forest Elephant?

It was 20, last i checked.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 16
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 18
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 21
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 16
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 23
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

No updates.

African Forest Elephant 20
Atlatist 16
B17 21
Ballista 20
Battering Ram 22
Berber Cavalry 20
Berserker 20
Bowmen 18
Camel Archer 24
Carolean 23
Cataphract 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 24
Comanche Rider 18
Companion Cavalry 20
Conquistador 20
Great Galleass 20
Dromon 21
Hakkapeliitta 18
Hoplite 18
Horse Archer 20
Hussar 20
Hwach'a 20
Immortal 20
Impi 22
Jaguar 21
Janissary 22
Keshik 24
Kris Swordsman 20
Landsknecht 8
Legion 20
Longbowman 24
Mandekalu Cavalry 20
Maori Warrior 18
Mehal Sefari 16
Minutemen 21
Mohawk Warrior 20
Musketeer 20
Naresuan's Elephant 20
Nau 21
Norwegian Ski Infantry 16
Panzer 18
Pathfinder 22
Pictish Warrior 20
Pracinha 20
Quinquereme 16
Samurai 18
Sea Beggar 20
Ship of the Line 21
Siege Tower 23
Sipahi 18
Slinger 16
Tercio 21
Turtle Ship 21
War Elephant 20
Winged Hussar 21
Zero 4

Kris Swordsman:
Their main problem is that they have two potential "bad" promotions, and the maps where Indonesia's UA works, its UU doesn't, and vice versa.

Chu-Ko-Nu:
Logistics. Just Logistics.