Canada vs. USA Scenario

[CivPartisan]

Hey Chapstercan and Nick,

I think this calls for a good Canada vs. USA scenario. One of the things that a good scenario can do is introduce possibilities -- I'm not sure how accurate the history lesson might be. I do remember saying in a post many years ago that we actually play scenarios to change history not repeat it. You might consider this when you construct the scenario -- it wouldn't really be any fun to play the USA as it would be much easier to win, unless you create some sort of problems either logistic or diplomatic for the USA to overcome. Nick, your idea about creating a scenario about the time when the Avro Air Fighter was created is a good one -- it shows promise for producing a rich story that the player can be immersed in. But I want to add that Chapstercan makes a valid point about Canadian politics -- this should also play some role as an advantage in the scenario. Perhaps there could be some other special force that could be in the form of units or money that would give Canada a fighting chance. I would think that killer partisan units would be the way to go but also everytime a unit in Canada is killed maybe you could create a caravan/freight unit for Canada. These are just a few ideas off the top of my head.

Good luck!

CivPartisan

[Nick Garai]

Well, the oinly most logical support would be the following:

• Start off Canada with "Hidden" nuclear weapons in the Rockies supplied by Britain
• Provide Canada with substantial start off income OR a large contingent off British Military
• Just after WW2, Canada had the 3rd largest Navy in the World, although navies would not be as big, it would definitely help to protect Vancouver and the St Lawrence Rivers

The Trudeau years were also good for Canada. Starting off a Scenario during these years would be good since Canadian and US relations were rather stifly (Trudeau was one of our best PM's in history) so a united Canada during those years would prove interesting with support from Britain and a Third party (Bloc Quebecoic) like Quebec seperating from Canada and having the support of France.

Another interesting idea would be what if Alaska were never sold to the Americans and remained Russian property?

[CivPartisan]

Hey Nick G.,

I don't know which Civ version you are using, but if you intend to write an events file, read the booklet that came with your game. There are loads of great tips to trigger wonderful things like giving money to a player when a certain unit is killed or destroying cities, changing the terrain and so forth. The triggers are a cinch and might be useful to experiment with.

I really, really like the idea of Alaska being a Russian colony - that would help add balance to the game and allow players who are risky to play the Russians just for giggles. Your hiddlen nukes would be good, but this is probably where the triggers for giving a unit would work best - hence, they are hidden in the events and there wouldn't be any risk of losing those units to the Americans.

These are few ideas. I invite to review some of the great docs that here on CivFanatics:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2/reference/

Happy Civin'

CivPartisan

[SoCalBoy]

Originally Posted by Nick_G

You must live in Texas. Are you a republican?

Texas? Pah! More like Florida.

Most Texans I know actually wouldn't agree with that.

Anyway, if you really want to, I guess go ahead.

[bronson8601]

This is a scenario i found.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169378

[Strelok22]

All this reminds me of "MALTA" scenario where Libiya invades Malta.The maltese are forces to defend until backup arrives from West Europe and USA.

This scenario could do the same.Small number of Canadians try to hold the main Objectives for few turns.Then Russia sends tanks in Alaska to help.China might send air support or something that arrives in Vancouver.Mexicans might send help.Venezuela too.

This idea might have a future...and yes I am talking about a timeline set in 2011-1015

[BC1871]

Depending on when you set the scenario, Canada has only 3 possibilities of actually putting up a good fight.

1919
1945
1954

Anything outside of those 3 time periods, and Canada will get stomped.

Also, Canada was politically and militarily weakest during the Trudeau period, so I wouldn't base it around that time frame.

[BC1871]

A scenario based in 1919, would be possible for a potential Canadian victory and would most definitely give for the fairest of fights.

[clightning]

Oh this idea is simplely awesome
We the Democratic People's Socialist Canada shall stand firm and teach the imperialist invaders a good lession! And fly our (half) red flad over White House! If it goes well...
Alright so much for that. Back to business.

Is it true that most Candys are more or less resent the south big brother?
But for such a case, if you want to fight a Fin-Soviet style war(which is the only way) properly you need something following:
1, Economy and Industry independence. We all know how much it is relyed on the south...
2, Will to fight. Well I guess many people will bravely defend the much higher tax rate, including those who has found a job in the south, err?
3, Proper mobilization. Put what you have(especially if it's not much) to the right place and right time. What it takes to transfer our manufacturer plants of autos (BTW most of them US brand) to armored vehicle lines?
4, International enviroment. Russia's help would be important. China's would be better(China didn't tryed to get control of North Korea and Pakistan after helped them in war, unlike dear Soviet comrade). But there have to be a good reason for them. How about this one: US default in T-bonds (which China holds a lot) and invade Canada to take resource (which China has invested in) to balance its deficit. And Al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea may also help Canada(unintentionally) by distracting US forces, which is great rich in hardware, but not rich enough in manpower(less than 20 divisions, right?) to deal with all these above at one time. The problem for US is, for example, although F-22/B-2 combo is invincible thus more than enough to counter all other air force, you still have to send in enough gound forces especially infantrys if you want to occupy and make use of some thing.

Alright, pls take the above as half making fun half suggestion on the SCN. Aft all we and Yankees don't hate each other that much, do we?

[BC1871]

It would be interesting to use "technological advances" as restructuring the economy and institutions from peacetime to wartime.

[Theov]

The USA already wanted to invade Canada once.
The president gave the orders for a full scale invasion in March 1995, July he got a call back from the general "mister president, it's going great, we're already in Mexico City!"

[Theov]

Originally Posted by Strelok22

All this reminds me of "MALTA" scenario where Libiya invades Malta.The maltese are forces to defend until backup arrives from West Europe and USA.

This scenario could do the same.Small number of Canadians try to hold the main Objectives for few turns.Then Russia sends tanks in Alaska to help.China might send air support or something that arrives in Vancouver.Mexicans might send help.Venezuela too.

This idea might have a future...and yes I am talking about a timeline set in 2011-1015

Singapore has the same military strategy.
Stop the invasion for a few days and wait for help from the rest of the world.

[BC1871]

I think Canada will be on its own in this conflict...as no nations would want to risk war with the United States over Canada...even the UK would probably remain neutral in the conflict, however I could see a large influx of foreign "volunteers" joining in the fray. It might end up something more akin to the Spanish Civil War, with Canada as the "Republicans" and the majority of their aid coming in the form of foreign volunteers and war materials.

[Serutan]

Originally Posted by Nick Garai

Alright, does ANYONE know where you can find a map that has Canada vs. USA on it? I would love to play that.

If you don't mind Harry Turtledove's fictional world, there's 'American Front' on
this page:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2/down...ios/industrial

[Necropolis]

Originally Posted by Nick Garai

Alright, does ANYONE know where you can find a map that has Canada vs. USA on it? I would love to play that.

i have that in my old 2003 scenario the scrip was wrote in 2002 its for classic Civ 2 i never uploaded iy but i did save my civ 2 babylon 5 units.

i also have were the two countries united in 2010 into the north american union "harper union" this is not for civ2 its for civ3 id like to see North american union on Call to power 2. puny nicarauga would not stand a chance it only has 4 cities about the same size as dandong consession in japan korea map for ctp2.

[Necropolis]

Originally Posted by BC1871

A scenario based in 1919, would be possible for a potential Canadian victory and would most definitely give for the fairest of fights.

i like this idea its great.

[BC1871]

Originally Posted by Necropolis

i like this idea its great.

How I see it, would be the following:

The primary advantage of playing as the United States is her overwhelmingly superior industrial advantage, however unlike WWII, the US did not gear up her industries in the same was, therefore it would require a full move to a war industry economy.

The Dominion of Canada, having been involved in the war since 1914, has moved towards a war based economy and therefore though not on the scale of the United States industrially, has the advantage of experience.

[BC1871]

Also, I would think that Canada would be able to take the first turn, as most Canadian strategies for war against the United States were based on striking first, and then falling back, and waiting/hoping for reinforcements to arrive at Halifax from across the Empire.