Axeman Speculation

Tyrvos · Mar 28, 2013

MaximusK said:
Shawnee w/ Tecumseh as leader. It makes sense!

google "shawnee warrior"

http://stemmieimprese.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/indiano-shawnee-shawnee-warrior.jpg

O wow, I complete forgot about them. That looks very plausible, good find. Tecumseh definitely would fit in.

cybrxkhan · Mar 28, 2013

Alright, so IF we assume it's a new eastern native american civ, here's some possible tribes: Powhatan, Shawnee, Cherokee, Pawnee... any other major groups from the east that could see inclusion? I doubt any groups near the Iroqouis would be in.

Tecumseh would be pretty cool. He tried to make some sort of grand confederation/coalition/alliance among several different NA groups.

wilbeard · Mar 28, 2013

True_Candyman said:
If that is a native american UU, i would bet the civ it's for is the Algonquin.

Judging by the way various civs are conglomerated (such as Polynesia), this could well be the case. Alonquin civ with Shawnee warrior UU, perhaps.

True_Candyman · Mar 28, 2013

wilbeard said:
Judging by the way various civs are conglomerated (such as Polynesia), this could well be the case. Alonquin civ with Shawnee warrior UU, perhaps.

I would guess they would just call the UU a tomahawk or tomahawk warrior.

Having looked further into it, the Shawnee or the Cherokee seem likely, and i really hope it's one of them over the Algonquins but i just don't have the faith to be certain.

I'm kinda sad this likely means no Mississippian civ though

MaximusK · Mar 28, 2013

The Shawnee were part of the Algonquin language group. The Cherokee were actually Iroquoian.
I can see, like wilbeard mentioned, Algonquin civ with Tecumseh leader, maybe an early trade bonus? and this warrior UU.

True_Candyman · Mar 28, 2013

MaximusK said:
The Shawnee were part of the Algonquin language group. The Cherokee were actually Iroquoian.
I can see, like wilbeard mentioned, Algonquin civ with Tecumseh leader, maybe an early trade bonus? and this warrior UU.

The only information we have are some "tomahawks", we do not know that they are algonquin.

As far as i'm aware, the cherokee used tomahawks. They'd also fit best with the civil war scenario.

ferretbacon · Mar 28, 2013

True_Candyman said:
The only information we have are some "tomahawks", we do not know that they are algonquin.

As far as i'm aware, the cherokee used tomahawks. They'd also fit best with the civil war scenario.

They might have gone with the Shawnee for the general game and perhaps used the unique of the Shawnee civ for the Cherokee in the Civil War scenario.

wilbeard · Mar 28, 2013

Plenty of potential for a city list! (I love this speculation, however fruitless).

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tennessee/shawneeindianhist.htm

True_Candyman · Mar 28, 2013

ferretbacon said:
They might have gone with the Shawnee for the general game and perhaps used the unique of the Shawnee civ for the Cherokee in the Civil War scenario.

Why?

Why when they could just have the Cherokee with no complaint?

Guandao · Mar 28, 2013

Whatever the new North American Indian civ is, not knowing what it is makes me feel excited!

ferretbacon · Mar 28, 2013

True_Candyman said:
Why? Why when they could just have the Cherokee with no complaint?

Just another possibility. Might be the Cherokee! :goodjob:

True_Candyman · Mar 28, 2013

ferretbacon said:
Just another possibility. Might be the Cherokee!

I suppose so. Seems awfully convoluted though!

kingchris20 · Mar 28, 2013

First thing that comes to mind when I see that is Apache.

so there you have it, it is the Apache UU, that the devs placed in the screenshot as a barbarian unit to throw us off and initiate deep threaded threads about.

wilbeard · Mar 28, 2013

According to Wikipedia, the Cherokee Nation of the 19th century incorporated the remaining Shawnee people. Judging by the fact they played a role in the Civil War also, they seem like strong candidates.

True_Candyman · Mar 28, 2013

kingchris20 said:
First thing that comes to mind when I see that is Apache.

so there you have it, it is the Apache UU, that the devs placed in the screenshot as a barbarian unit to throw us off and initiate deep threaded threads about.

The first thing that would come to mind for me thinking about an Apache UU would be first that it would likely have a horse, and second that it would almost certainly have a gun.

But i appreciate the satire :goodjob:

kingchris20 · Mar 28, 2013

True_Candyman said:
The first thing that would come to mind for me thinking about an Apache UU would be first that it would likely have a horse, and second that it would almost certainly have a gun.

But i appreciate the satire

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Gucumatz · Mar 28, 2013

I had actually mostly ignored the Shawnee. I still don't think they are likely but yea, I had them on the back of my mind but never really considered them for this expansion. That pic does look somewhat similar (But a lot of the North-Eastern tribes had troops that looked similar, like the Illinois, Huron, etc.)

Tecumseh though is certainly an iconic leader and might put him up above the Illinois, Huron, Erie etc. if they decided to go that route again.

Shawnee would be a surprise though to be honest considering the Iroquois are already in. I guess they could try and tie them to the Mississippians [Simply because it would be too difficult to make a Mississippian civ otherwise]. Good mention though!

Gucumatz · Mar 28, 2013

Also, now that we are mentioning the Shawnee... has anyone seen Cahokia in any of the screenshots? Cahokia was never under Shawnee territory if I recall correctly, but if they are going to make some strange aggregate civilization, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cahokia under the Shawnee.

cybrxkhan · Mar 28, 2013

Gucumatz said:
Also, now that we are mentioning the Shawnee... has anyone seen Cahokia in any of the screenshots? Cahokia was never under Shawnee territory if I recall correctly, but if they are going to make some strange aggregate civilization, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cahokia under the Shawnee.

I don't think Cahokia's been spotted in any screenshot or video, although of course we haven't seen 90% of the CS anyways.

I didn't consider the Shawnee previously, but the discussion so far has convinced me they might make a good candidate for the Native American civ, especially if Tecumseh is considered.

Although whether this weird "barbarian" unit proves the existence of the Shawnee or an Eastern American civ, I dunno - it'sstill all rampant speculation for now!

Tyrvos · Mar 28, 2013

cybrxkhan said:
I don't think Cahokia's been spotted in any screenshot or video, although of course we haven't seen 90% of the CS anyways.

I didn't consider the Shawnee previously, but the discussion so far has convinced me they might make a good candidate for the Native American civ, especially if Tecumseh is considered.

Although whether this weird "barbarian" unit proves the existence of the Shawnee or an Eastern American civ, I dunno - it'sstill all rampant speculation for now!

Isn't that the best kind of speculation?

It's just odd how they made a new marker with a tomahawk, doesn't make sense to just make that a normal barbarian unit. *twitch* it's gotta be a new civ!

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