Raliuven SG2 Demi-God Aztecs

creamcheese · Oct 23, 2011

Greeks are gone, but I had to stop again! Sorry this set is taking forever

, but I got an SGL with Electricity.

. I thought that was worth stopping for.

Turn Log: (so far)

Spoiler :

We have available for rushing: Smith's, Heroic Epic, Military Academy, and I think someone has Free Artistry, so Shakes as well if we trade.

We could also research Industrialization or medicine-->uhh, something, for UniSuffrage and ToE.

The only ones worth doing are Smith's, ToE, and the Military Academy I think. I am in favor of Smith's, since it denies it to the AI and they waste shields. It also breaks any cascade, potentially netting us all the rest of the wonders. We don't have any banks yet, and we might not need them, but markets and harbors still nets us a lot of reduced maintenance.

Save is attached for perusal. It is worth noting we can switch to whatever tech we like, I thought hard about doing Industrialization first.

Elephantium · Oct 23, 2011

Smith's is a good choice. The coins saved on Market maintenance will improve our research nicely.

I think we should just do a prebuild for ToE - better to set it up that way than to hold the SGL around for the research time.

CKS · Oct 23, 2011

My vote is for Smith's and a ToE prebuild, too. The military academy we can rush with an MGL, if we like.

I'd like replaceable parts before industrialization, for faster workers, artillery, and infantry. Scientific method should go before or after industrialization, depending on the status of our prebuild.

creamcheese · Oct 24, 2011

Okay, it took a while, but here is the complete set:

Turn Log: (complete)

Spoiler :

Hand-off notes:
1.) Okay, we still are a little under strength in military, but cavs vs. pikes is no contest and we have lost very few.
2.) We are doing 4-turn research :goodjob:

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3.) We are up 3 techs. We got both demo and free artistry for free from spain before they declared on us; downside is we now are at war with them and have to guard agaisnt more 3-cav landings.
4.) We have rubber, but unconnected and close to the border with egypt. France has one conected in the north we will also get.
5.) Keep at least 3+ cavs in our core to guard against landings by spain. I only barely managed to defend against that first one, we are a little understaffed, but the Golden age is helping with that.
6.) Mysterious golden age somehow spawned by Smith's... don't ask me why it did that. :confused:

7.) Feel free to change some of my prebuild and city builds around, I didn't MM as much as I should have in the last few turns.
8.) Keep starving the french cities. If they flip I recommend burning for slaves, we have 5 settlers working their way north to replace. I only kept them to give me roads/barracks to advance faster.
9.) We just started a new tech (Ind), but can change at will. I think getting factories up combined with rails will be key. Then we go for ToE and Hoover's.
10.) We got a second SGL (two SGLs in two techs, yeah!

), You can do what you like with it. Not a lot worth rushing. I already started MilAcad and Epic (they are almost done), and prebuild for ToE started.

Elephantium · Oct 24, 2011

IIRC the Golden Age can get started by any Wonder being built if you've captured other Wonders that match your civ traits.

We're Militaristic and Agricultural. We covered Mil when we build SoZ and Ag when we captured Hanging Gardens from Greece.

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Got it. My plan is to push France off our continent, then start the war on Egypt. I'll finish the Military Academy in Tenoch, then use the SGL to rush Shake's. If we lose Shake's, I'm inclined to use the SGL on Universal Suffrage.

For research, I'll go Industrialization > Corporation > Refining. I'm thinking we can wait until an AI gets Medicine, then buy it and learn Scientific Method next. Heh, we might even end up with Flight before ToE builds!

creamcheese · Oct 24, 2011

Elephantium said:
IIRC the Golden Age can get started by any Wonder being built if you've captured other Wonders that match your civ traits.

We're Militaristic and Agricultural. We covered Mil when we build SoZ and Ag when we captured Hanging Gardens from Greece.

That must be it. I guess I am just used to having my GA long before this. :crazyeye:

Elephantium · Oct 24, 2011

This set has gone back and forth a bit, but I'm making good progress.

Spoiler :

CKS · Oct 24, 2011

That is great progress. Rails and rubber and we are set.

Elephantium · Oct 25, 2011

Turnset continued...

Spoiler :

Handoff notes:

I have some ships building in Old France; it might be prudent to rush them and send some Cavs to burn France's remaining cities. That will put a stop to the culture flips.

We can start the war against Egypt pretty much anytime. The railnet is in place, connecting pretty much all the corners of the republic; the last few turns, I was working on railing the core rather than getting the basic railnet built.

The cities could use a round of MM.

CKS · Oct 25, 2011

Sounds good. I've got it.

Raliuven · Oct 25, 2011

I do apologize for being out of contact.

I was finishing GOTM116 and my weekend was packed. Everything is looking great! Nice job everyone! Two SGLs! Way to go creamcheese! Nice progress. Looking forward to getting this one again.

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CKS · Oct 26, 2011

Turn 0:
MM a bit.
IBT: Egypt and Spain have nationalism. Phooey.

Turn 1:
Rush a boat. Move around in preparation for declaring on Egypt. Build a couple of towns.
IBT: 4 Spanish cavs unload by Thermopylae. Offered a palace expansion, which I ignore.

Turn 2:
Kill the 4 Spanish cavs; 1 cav dies, 1 promotes.
Not ready to start the Egyptian war yet.
IBT: Spain declares on Iroquois. Learn refining, start steel.
Paris and Orleans go out of resistance and riot. Almeria flips.

Turn 3:
Declare on Egypt. Capture 9 workers. Ecav kills longbow. Ecav kills longbow. Ecav kills knight. Vcav kills spear. Vcav kills longbow. Vcav kills pike, Ecav kills pike, Ecav kills pike. Army kills knight.
At Kahun: Vcav kills pike, Eknight kills spear, takes city.
At Pithom: Vcav kills pike, Ecav kills spear, takes city.
At Almeria: artillery redlines rifle, Ecav kills it, takes city.
IBT: Spain gives 120 g for peace. I take it, but regret it later as we lose war happiness and have a few riots. Egypt sends three knights our way, losing one and killing a jag.

Turn 4:
E cavs kill 2 pikes and 2 knights. Capture 2 workers.
IBT: Lots of knights come into view. France lands a longbow and a knight.

Turn 5:
Eknight kills French longbow. Ecav kills French knight.
Army kills 3 knights. Vcav kills knight, promotes.
2 cavs die killing 4 knights. 2 Vcavs kill 2 knights, one promotes.
IBT: Lots of knights moving, 1 French longbow lands. Golden age ends.

Turn 6:
Eknight kills longbow.
Army kills knight, Vcav kills knight.
IBT: Knight kills cav. 2nd Army is built.

Turn 7:
At Alexandria: army kills rifle. Vcav retreats, Ecav kills regular rifle, Ecav dies redlining 3/4 rifle, Ecav kills rifle, Ecav kills longbow, razes city.
Ecav kills knight. AC kills pike.
At Pi-Rameses: Bombard, redlining rifle, -1hp pike. Ecav retreats from reg pike. Vcav kills pike. Ecav kills pike. E*AC kills rifle. Vcav kills longbow, razes city.
IBT: AC retreats from rifle. Lots of scurrying. Learn Steel.

Turn 8:
Cav kills rifle. Ecavs kill 2 pikes, 3 longbows, get a leader. Vcav dies to rifle, 4/4.
IBT: Iroquois make peace with Japan and Egypt. Some rifles move around. Japan and Maya have industrialization.

Turn 9: Sell industrialization to Spain for wines and change.
Bomb Heliopolis - hit all three rifles. Build an army. Army kills 3 rifles. Ecav kills redlined rifle, razes city.
Ecav kills pike.
At Heiraconpolis: Army redlines but kills rifle. Vet cav dies to rifle, Ecav kills rifle, Ecav kills rifle, takes city.
IBT: I foolishly left some worker uncovered, and Egypt captures 3.

Turn 10:
Ecavs kill 2 rifles and a pike. Emusket recaptures workers - leave the musket as a target, though I doubt if Egypt will oblige by attacking it on a hill.
I'm stopping here.

Notes:
I didn't get over to France, but our flip risks have dropped significantly, so there is no hurry.

Three AI are building universal suffrage. None of them has learned medicine yet, so we are working on combustion.

War against Egypt goes slowly but surely. We want to keep Thebes, so we may want to leave it for the end, or just deal with the flip risk.

We could build the pentagon; we can either rush it with a leader or swap the army build.

We should build some stock exchanges so we can build Wall Street; I started some banks for this purpose.

creamcheese · Oct 26, 2011

Great job on the Egypt war, artillery and rails show their worth I guess. Soon we will be able to settle our farms and sit around building.

Raliuven · Oct 26, 2011

I've got the save - I'll take a look and probably play tonight. Looks like some nice turns!

**Edit** Hmm, there are a lot more units and workers then I remember from last time. :lol:

I'm about halfway through my turns and I will try to wrap up tonight and post. Quick update:

I razed & replaced Memphis after discovering it was only guarded by a few pikes. Thebes has been captured and I'm going to let it starve and flip as needed. In the meantime I've upgraded our artillery stocks as we currently have Leo's under our control.

Cuello also flipped back to us (poor Mayans can't make up their mind). :rolleyes:

I'm spamming cities in farmland and using the workers to finish the outer core improvements and railing/watering the farmland.

We got a GL and I used it to rush the pentagon in Jilo (it had 0 shields in the production box so it won the lottery). I've got units moving to boats to end the Aztec/French war. I might also knock off the Iroquois while I'm there.

I goofed one of the trades - when a deal expired with Japan I did not renew with a new tech trade - I hadn't given the tech tree a good look before it expired. :mad:

When I went back to trade with Japan they had given away our luxuries already. :mad:

I had to fool with the luxury slider. I ended up trading corp for some gp & gpt deals to indirectly support our luxury problem but tried to keep the deals soft so that there would be no DOW. I'm using the extra money to rush settlers, upgrade the arty and rush combat units to finish the wars. Hopefully once Egypt, France and the Iroquois are no longer with us there will be some extra luxuries for us.

We've got combustion, on the way to MP. Still no medicine from the AI. They're probably researching commie, espionage and facism at the moment.

creamcheese · Oct 27, 2011

At this rate we'll have tanks and planes before they get medicine :lol:

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Pity about the luxes, but we all make mistakes like that.

Raliuven · Oct 28, 2011

Well my plan for a soft gpt deal seems to have failed. The Mayans are staging a fairly ridiculous attack on our new french isles. But I suppose they have both horses and salt, so there could be cavalry coming our way. France is down to the one little island city - I have a transport in place to make the jump, but now that the Mayans are acting up I suppose it will need to wait. Maybe we make peace with them for 20 turns and come back? WW is really starting to hurt. I suppose if the Mayans do declare we can knock out their one city and then go back to France.

All the hills & mountains that Egypt has occupied is causing delays. They're done for and their rifles keep wandering back and forth. I take a shot at them every time they step off the mountains.

Our artillery stocks are up from catured & upgraded egyptian trebs. We've got an army producing in 3t but we are short of units (still).

Current tech: Motors due in 4t @ 70% science, +80gpt (but Mayans are giving us +140gpt) Luxury is set at 30% and I'm checking cities each turn for riots.

Japan has furs available for trading again. I think at least Spain might be working on Refining because Spain went from offering some token gpt, WM & nationalism and now they won't give up nationalism alone in a trade.

I stopped at Turn 239 (1240 AD) so that the next player can strategize if a war with the Mayans is going to start.

Turn Log:

Spoiler :

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CKS · Oct 28, 2011

Too bad about the Japanese trade, but that's life.

We can make peace with the French pretty safely, I think, though I doubt they are causing much of the WW problem. Egypt has to be the main problem. I think we just need to tough it out for a few more turns, until we clear Egypt off the continent. Maybe we should see if someone can clear out that one city on the other continent for us.

Raliuven · Oct 28, 2011

Yeah, I'm kicking myself over that trade. I should have paid better attention to the trade screen before I started playing. When it came up I couldn't remember who had what.

I think it wouldn't be a problem to get Japan to side with us - we could even ally them as part of a Refining deal (IIRC they are open to the idea). If we wanted to go with a MMP it would also trigger a war between Japan and the Mayans.

The more I think about it, may be the DOW form the Mayans isn't so bad. It would help with our WW and the units they have advancing on Besancon are pretty much dead meat. I also looked over their land and I don't think they are hiding a source of salt, so if we take that out, they are back to LBs until they reach infantry/guerillas/tanks - but they don't have Refining/Steel or Electricity. Either way it is going to start hunting when our tanks are rolling off the assembly lines.

Of course they could trade for salts, I didn't look if Spain has some available (from the embassy screen it looks as if Japan does not have any extra at the moment, but there is a lot of unclaimed land in the former Iroquois lands).

creamcheese · Oct 28, 2011

If we are good on our island, then war against Maya is a good thing for our happiness as you stated. We have rails and artillery now, the AI will never mount a successful invasion of our homeland (until marines maybe, but even then).

I vote for taking france out all the way and and not worrying too much about the maya. Don't forget to trade GPT for anything they have right before they declare.

I'll try and see on my turns where Japan traded thoses luxes and see if we can't get a war going so they stop trading.

Raliuven · Oct 28, 2011

creamcheese, you can pick up the game if you're ready. I stopped because I figure the brunt of the new war will be on you this time around so I wanted to give you the chance to shuffle units as you see fit. The battle on the french isle should be pretty quick.

Once we are secure there, I think eliminating the Iroquois after the French should free up some luxuries. Tanks will put the final nail in the Egyptian Sarcophagus as well. Those rifles on hills have been tearing up our units - well, my poor RNG luck is mostly responsible for that, but anyway - all of egypt's productive core is gassed. His rifles are too afraid to attack our infantry so they just wander around, pillaging as if we are really going to be using those mountain tiles for anything.

RE: the Mayans - I'd say we are secure against anything but a massive landing. Massed infantry, arty and cavs and armies, even with our limited supply, will destroy anything the Mayans can land - the best they have are rifles and cavs at the moment, though we're seening LBs at the moment.

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