egypt science victory

what social policy trees are optimal for science victory as egypt? obviously rationalism, but what about patronage? Also, should i open as liberty or tradition?

Tradition and Egypt are very strong together...free burial tombs, even better wonder spamming, and the extra food will help your base a lot.

you'll want to start tradition, then liberty, free settler then other liberty policies. when you have four cities with monuments you'll pop aristocracy for +8 happiness.

ideally rationalism is taken before your RAs fire, and you'll work down the left of rationalism until the two free techs are popped at the end. other than that taking the freedom opener may net you another scientist for the final critical bulbs.

you won't be getting many other policies - you shouldn't have time for patronage at all.

best way to open with Egypt IMO is a hybrid liberty/tradition approach. Take tradition opener first, then use liberty to expand to 4 cities and build monuments. Take legalism as soon as you have philosophy researched to get 4 free burial mounds. With +8 happiness you should be set up pretty well to get a large early population (and hence high science output). Then you generally want to finish liberty for the free great person, and move on to rationalism.

EDIT - I was too slow but same basic points.

I played a game recently as Egypt trying out a tradition/liberty mix on a large Pangea map with friends who are fairly new to the game and the person who got me into civ (he has about 500 hours on the game but on the whole not that great at the game) most of the people had about 80 hours in after some single player. I knew being the most experienced player there it would be a 5v1 so building wide then getting the tradition benefits would remove the need for piety and strengthen rationalism more than straight liberty and piety with sacred sites or Jesuit as backup, on quick i ended up finishing the game at turn 231 with science going freedom because i faith bought loads of engineers and just made manufactories and economy was good so I could buy . If you maintain good happiness Egypt is awesome with such versatility, being a mix of a wonder spamming 8-10 high population super powered production and GPT, if your playing against mediocre and somewhat decent players who are to scared to catch a run away or if on immortal/deity just turtle up and let the world burn and wait for ideologies because 9 size 25+ cities is better than 4-5 (funnel trade around). Burial tombs are why Egypt is awesome wonder stuff adds to its skill and chariot archers are decent for defending. In that game i was attacked by 5 players with artillery, Calvary and frigates (lots of them) but I had jet fighters, stealth bombers, mechanised infantry and more nukes than the USA and Russia combined this is probably why I won so easily.

Egypt may still be one of the better civs suited for OCC

For science victory: 4 city tradition, Fill out tradition then open patronage. Once you hit Renaissance adopt Rationalism and get +2 science from specialists ASAP.

You will probably get an ideology before you can get +25% scientists generation from Rationalism.

I would go Order for +25% science from Factories along with +25% great person generation and get the tenet which gives you a free engineer and scientist eventually.

Freedom can also work if you have some academies for it to enhance and/or no coal for factories/mines to be enhanced by 5 year plan.

CraigMak said:

For science victory: 4 city tradition, Fill out tradition then open patronage. Once you hit Renaissance adopt Rationalism and get +2 science from specialists ASAP.

You will probably get an ideology before you can get +25% scientists generation from Rationalism.

I would go Order for +25% science from Factories along with +25% great person generation and get the tenet which gives you a free engineer and scientist eventually.

Freedom can also work if you have some academies for it to enhance and/or no coal for factories/mines to be enhanced by 5 year plan.

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Please note the prefix in this thread title "Vanilla" along with the year in which all posts before Stormtroopers were made in.

Ideologies require BNW which isn't in Vanilla. In Vanilla (post balance patches) and G&K Order, Liberty, and Autocracy are mutually exclusive social policy trees.

Yeah, I kind of messed up not seeing the timestamps on earlier posts and assumed it was about BNW. Sorry about that

Oh wow. Mega NECRO!!!