popejubal
Emperor
Whipping tends to be suboptimal in FFH.
Who's a what, then?
If you look at hammers per turn for any tile, an irrigated grassland farm under agrarianism still beats out a plains hill mine for a size six city even if you pretend that the plains hill mine doesn't need 2 food (and 1 health) per turn to sustain it.
In what way is whipping suboptimal? I'd only agree with that statement for civs that are currently good.