RBW4 - It's a scary world out there

Please note, we do not have alphavit monopoly, Toky and Cesar have it.

We need to trade now and try to collect as mach gold as posible to finance our needs.
We need to get all tech we missing, whith priority of iron working/math.
I do not think we can affort to build Academy, WE might want to ligbulb after getting math. With math chops we should be able to build GL and fix tech problem.

I see from scouting that all map is full, there is some island near Toky, but I do not see how we can get settler there.

Alphabet now traded out to Huyana and Mansa for Iron Working and Mathematics respectively and 380 in cash.

I can pick up Priesthood and Monotheism and another 100 in cash from Saladin, but both those tech are less than 6 turns of research at a now affordable 100%. So I am not sure I want them.

Or I can pick up Meditation and Montheism and 120 in cash from Hannibal. That is a slightly better deal and if the intention is to light up Philosophy with the Great Scientist we will need Meditation.

We are ten turns away from lightbulbing Philosophy if we choose to go that route.

As anything I do after this point is going to represent a commitment of some magnitude I would like for more consideration on the part of the rest of the team before I pull that particular trigger.

Will wait for discussion before proceeding.

Considering the fact that Alpha isn't a monopoly at all, I would go with the Hannibal trade - the cash isn't inconsequential, and the techs are on the Philo path.

All went as planned.

The first trades





We have iron and one at Beijing!





Monte makes a demand



Toku wants help in his phony war



Great Library built with the help of all the trees and three citizens (Hannibal had learned Literature)



With dyes needed soon make this deal with Capac



Drama was learned on the very last turn and the Scientist lit up Philosopht and Taoism went to Nanjing.

Here is the empire



Our borders have pushed far enough that we can see into as far as Kyoto.

Started workers everywhere before the Theaters to connect the luxuries (gems, elelphants and dyes). The international situation is heating up a little with Toku's war and there were a couple of demands from the Greek that we end our dealings with the "vile Mali".

This deal is out there for the taking if we want it.



It was not done.



Roster:
Methos - Skipped
Kodii -
Bede - Played
3Amoor - MIA
Mutineer - UP
Sunrise089 - On deck

Nice turns.

As for the deal...I'm leaning towards no. We're about to hook up three happiness resources right? So HR isn't exactly a priority right now. I'd be more inclined to trade Drama or Lit for cash, if a lot is out there.

It may be possible to swing a deal for Currency if we want to go that route. The scientists are set to Music right now, but nothing is invested in it yet, or we could do Priests in one to start Temples when we want to.

I just layed that up there as an example of what was out there to be bought with Literature and Drama.

Saladin has most of the cash right now, though Alexander may have a merchant wandering around, so look for Greece to have a pile of cash maybe.

I see I am up, will play tomorrow, did not had access to Civ comp today.

OK, Turn 0.
We have a lot of money and ways to get them, but our research only 70%???

Set research to 100%.
Look on trades and see that Alex has construction and willing to sell.
Got construction(alex), currency(khan), monarchy and HR. Do not get priesthood, as it is only 1 turn research and we can self research it.
Still hit WFUBTA mode with Khan.

MM cities to max grow and got some resources by trade.

(cancel cow for silk deal when posible, we need health.
We lost music by 1 turn to Masta.
Otherwize traded Feodalism and Mettalocasting.

Set research for CS and revolted to HR/Vassalage (1turn) on my last turn. Did not revolt befor due to not withing to loose music.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84898/RBW4_AD-0375.CivWarlordsSave

I just payed attention and look on settings. I wander why low sea level and mach more then standart number of civs? We are lucky we manage to get 4 cities I think.

Forgot to add.
I just traded Metallocasting last turn.
I think we better whipe Forge in capital and build colosys.
We have a lot of warter ties to work, it would help and a little more culture.

Oh!. I think I'm up here to. Sorry, I'll play/post today.

Turn 1: Switch capital build to forge.

Turn 2: Hire an artist in Shanghai, whip forge in capital. Monty demands we cancel deals with Augustus, and normally I would probably accept, considering Monty is our immediate neighbor. In this case, his power is as low as ours, so I'm willing to say "no"

Turn 3: Start the Colossus in the capital

Turn 5: Whip monastery in Shanghai

Turn 6: Hire second artist in Shanghai

Turn 9: Great scientist born in the capital. I assume we don't want to light bulb compass, but we can discuss to settle, academy, or light bulb.

Turn 10: CS due in one. Colossus will complete in 2.

The Roster:
Methos - up!
Kodii - on deck
Bede -
3Amoor - MIA
Mutineer -
Sunrise089 - just played

The Save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/91988/RBW4_AD-0620.CivWarlordsSave

Got it........

Turn 0, 620 AD: Al-Kindi (Great Scientist) heads for Guangzhou, which has the highest base commerce and has quite a few cottages at their base level. This city will grow into a good science/commerce city. After the Academy is built it jumps from 29.75 /t to 41.65 /t.

I'm honestly at a loss on how to proceed. So let's discuss...

Toku has a small army on his border. I'm not sure if he's planning on doing a little fighting soon, or what. To be honest, I don't really care about taking his lands just yet, as they don't really benefit us very well.

Monte's lands would be really nice to have and being that he's an OCC I really think we need to take him out. Just a thought, but what if we raze Monte's capitol? If we get a couple settlers prepped and ready we could raze it and plant them in the yellow dots as shown here:



The red dot is a possible. We'd lose the iron from our city radius, but it'd give us a better chance at pushing our borders with the new southern yellow dot. Honestly, I don't like losing the iron, but I figured I'd throw it out there for responses.

Granted, first we'd have to get Monte ticked off at us.

Another idea is to get the AI to do a little fighting amongst each other. Slip some settlers in and grab any free land we can. Either way, we need to get something going on here.

Research-wise I'm not sure. I didn't realize we were so far behind everyone.

Razing Monty's capital would be fine, and you're right - the land would be nice. I'm not sure how easy it will be to do however. What's the plan for getting it razed? Bribing a couple AIs into fighting him and hoping they raze?

The Roster:
Methos - Skipped
Kodii - Up!
Bede - on deck
3Amoor - MIA
Mutineer
Sunrise089 - just played

I really hate to do this, but I'm going to have to ask for another skip. Here's the current save, though I just did very minor changes.

Got it... so what is our plan?

My suggestions would be:
1) fire artists, grow cities first more, so they work all avalible ties. We have allmost unlimited happiness.
IN capital after it build colosys do the same, MM for max grow.
2) Our only hope to win is to get vassal and so far I see only toky as a good candidate.
3) After getting CS adopt CS, spend 1 turn research on priesthood, and start spreading all avalible religions to all our cities.
4) Build cathedrals in capital and city near capac.
Check for posible trades every turn, I suspect we miss posibility to trade Theology. WE have music and philosofy on allmost all AI, except Musta.
5) run to liberalism, researching paper/education. GL should halp as.
6) I do not think it is good to adopt a religion yet, as our cities still to small and need to grow in order to make use of Pacifism.
7) I do not think that entivce war on Capac is a good idea, I never see AI raise a holly city.
8) We want toky to declare on as, but bee ready.

T0 620AD - Fire specialists and set maximum growth

T1 640AD - Civil Service is in but I delay the revolt to Bureaucracy to allow the Colossus to finish

T2 660AD - Colossus completes and Beijing is set to max food; Priesthood comes in, I set research to Paper; I revolt to Bureaucracy; Augustus completes the Sistine Chapel, so he will now trade Theology and all his gold for Music



T3 680AD - Alex declares war on us ; He lands a horse archer and catapult beside Nanjing, so I whip a war elephant to defend.



T4 700AD - Our war elephant kills the catapult.

T5 720AD - Our war elephant kills the horse archer.

I stop here for some discussion. I assume we will want to drag the war out until Alex capitulates to us. I have some screenshots that I can put up and I'll also add the save.

EDIT: Added them.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/RBW4_AD-0720.CivWarlordsSave

Yeah, I think we should try to force the capitulation. Does anyone have a good impression of the amount of damage we have to do to Alex in order to get him to capitulate without taking any of his cities?

Main problem with Alex is to reduce him to less then half land/population, not amount of units we can kill. I do not see any way of doing so He has more land then we. So, I think we need to whipe some fleet to protect our coats and just defend agains him. The only land we can culturally squse are Japanise. We want toky to declare on as, not Alex