The Community Deity Game #2 - Assyria
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stormtrooper412
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I really like to see epic games like that one 
Grendeldef
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T255 Sci BCE the recap.
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adcarrymaokai
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Playing this game for fun, not achievements. The map looked fun and is easy enough.
Obviously, bought a settler with El Dorado gold and sent it there so just work the El Dorado culture, allowing me to open Tradition and get fast through Liberty (then it grew with a granary). The cap had to do a lot of heavy lifting due to being the first coastal city of two, but now I am rapidly growing it via cargo ship.
Stole 2 workers from Theodora, one Egyptian settler, and a CS worker. Built one myself, and one from Liberty. Due to early aggressive worker enslavement, improved luxuries very fast and didn't have much happiness issues up until now that my cities are nearing and getting over pop 10 limit.
I almost felt bad for stealing from Egypt because Dido ran over him. I knew all too well whose turn is next and refrained from settling the gems near King Solomon Mines but put a warrior there, who spotted marching longswordsmen. I had to pay Dido 2 luxuries to go DoW Byzantium, but as Dido settles closer, the only solution is to eventually kill her with fire.
Despite my poor choices and not-so-safe Liberty run, I am doing okay in terms of science, so the plan is to start stagnating growth, finish infrastructure, and rush to mercantilism. Then I can prebuild cannons and knights and upgrade them into industrial era units to go after Dido and Haile, since one is running away, and the other will be difficult to deal with once he gets Mehal Sefaris and I conquer Carthaginian cities. Theodora has 2 cities, Egypt has been eliminated, an Arabia is a pushover, so I will probably need to take out some cities with oil and try to deal with Darius, who is always high on defenses, with aircraft or more. Getting through Dido's 15 cities might also take a while, and maybe I will leave her with one or two--as long as she is so crippled she can't do anything.
I mean, why even play Assyria if you don't want to go for conquest.
Obviously, bought a settler with El Dorado gold and sent it there so just work the El Dorado culture, allowing me to open Tradition and get fast through Liberty (then it grew with a granary). The cap had to do a lot of heavy lifting due to being the first coastal city of two, but now I am rapidly growing it via cargo ship.
Stole 2 workers from Theodora, one Egyptian settler, and a CS worker. Built one myself, and one from Liberty. Due to early aggressive worker enslavement, improved luxuries very fast and didn't have much happiness issues up until now that my cities are nearing and getting over pop 10 limit.
I almost felt bad for stealing from Egypt because Dido ran over him. I knew all too well whose turn is next and refrained from settling the gems near King Solomon Mines but put a warrior there, who spotted marching longswordsmen. I had to pay Dido 2 luxuries to go DoW Byzantium, but as Dido settles closer, the only solution is to eventually kill her with fire.
Despite my poor choices and not-so-safe Liberty run, I am doing okay in terms of science, so the plan is to start stagnating growth, finish infrastructure, and rush to mercantilism. Then I can prebuild cannons and knights and upgrade them into industrial era units to go after Dido and Haile, since one is running away, and the other will be difficult to deal with once he gets Mehal Sefaris and I conquer Carthaginian cities. Theodora has 2 cities, Egypt has been eliminated, an Arabia is a pushover, so I will probably need to take out some cities with oil and try to deal with Darius, who is always high on defenses, with aircraft or more. Getting through Dido's 15 cities might also take a while, and maybe I will leave her with one or two--as long as she is so crippled she can't do anything.
I mean, why even play Assyria if you don't want to go for conquest.
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Ugh well, I rolled out against Haile a little bit too late. Those Mehal Sefaris are tanky as hell. My only hope is that he doesn't have many of those. At least I did a little backstab when I gave him everything to DoW Arabia and Persia, so they are a distraction, too. But still, fewer cities, bonus near capital, great general, mehal sefari special bonus will make it a pain... though Addis Abeba has Notre Dame, Chichen Itza, and Taj Mahal, so capturing it will pretty much let me raze Dido's cities with no worry. With some policies and buildings, my capital makes an artillery every 3 turns (and if I built Ironworks, that'd be 2 turns), which will all amass to assault Dido, who also has riflemen. Ugh, this will be a tech deficit domination struggle.
I'm struggling with this map - willing to ignore all other achievements and just get the sub-230 SV (I've been high 2xx on my SVs on DCL). Any better SV players out there, please offer some input:
1) is there any point in getting ToA for a sub-230 game?
2) could Liberty be faster than Tradition on this map (definitely room for >5 cities)
3) if 'Yes' to 2, is there any point building ToA when going Liberty?
4) do you prioritize Research Agreements or ignore and use the gold to purchase schools and/or labs?
Just quit a 4city Tradition-Freedom game with crippling -35 from Ideology happiness. Cities were 35, 25, 25, 22 on T212.
1) is there any point in getting ToA for a sub-230 game?
2) could Liberty be faster than Tradition on this map (definitely room for >5 cities)
3) if 'Yes' to 2, is there any point building ToA when going Liberty?
4) do you prioritize Research Agreements or ignore and use the gold to purchase schools and/or labs?
Just quit a 4city Tradition-Freedom game with crippling -35 from Ideology happiness. Cities were 35, 25, 25, 22 on T212.
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2 more capitals to go, provided Dido doesn't retake hers. But I pushed her almost entirely off the continent and benefited majorly from liberating Egypt and gifting him all these cities for free passage. I think no matter the warmongering, revived allies will always love you forever. Still, she is second in army, and most of it is navy and aircraft, so I just need to turtle to a peace deal and repel her attacks. Darius is now leading in army, but my tanks, artillery, and aircraft spam, coming back from Constantinople, should make it easy to kill him. The problem is going to be with Babylon because he requires either a detour or plowing through Persia with no peace deals, but I guess I can keep gifting to Egypt and enjoy protection at least from melee units.
Most of industrial and modern era technologies I received for free because Treasures of Nineveh. It's actually great for Deity. From the middle of the bunch to an absolute tech leader, even though my science sucks, and I only build units. Also, a randomly spawned GE helped get Prora. I am only now starting to build barracks for happiness from Autocracy. Let's see what hides beneath this little dark patch.
Most of industrial and modern era technologies I received for free because Treasures of Nineveh.
It's actually great for Deity. From the middle of the bunch to an absolute tech leader, even though my science sucks, and I only build units. Also, a randomly spawned GE helped get Prora. I am only now starting to build barracks for happiness from Autocracy. Let's see what hides beneath this little dark patch.Attachments
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I wish this was the case but it isn't - the fastest denouncement I've gotten after resurrection was in 3 turns and not only that but we managed to get DoF between the events. After that I made quite sure that no one draw Washy back to life 2nd time - all excuses for a genocide within the game are welcomed.
I have never come close to even a T250 SV, so I cannot help, but I am very interested in your attempt. That city size seems really, really good. Please post a screen shot. I am also intrigued that you felt you room for a Liberty run!
If it were not for Ideology pressure, do you think you were on track for the T230 SV?
If so, was there nothing you could have done differently to get a little more Tourism? Did you have Oxford themed?
What if you reload back to Ideologies and go Order instead of Freedom? Missing SoL sucks, but -35 ideology pressure sucks too!
In your current game, you might be able to spare the two turns to switch into Order soon after SoL is done. Is your faith generation enough to purchase a couple GE? That would be three SS parts accounted for.
I've started and quit a bunch of games now; no screen shot available, but going from memory I was actually building great works that game and had 20-22 tourism, so the -35 happiness from ideologies was a big shock. I also did a 6city Liberty run with T66 NC, but low pops. None of my attempts have felt close to sub-230 pace and none of them have had good faith generation.
I'm worried Order will make the late-game too slow. Even with Freedom, I'm guessing I need to hit targets of about T150 Scientific Theory (with gold to buy schools, which has been a struggle) and T180-185 Plastics (with gold to buy Labs).
That does seem crazy. The other thing about fast SV is that, from what I hear, you are not giving ideology pressure much time to accumulate. I am back to wondering if you might not have been able to waited it out a few turns? OTOH, maybe T230 SV requires everything to go right?
Correct me if I am wrong, is not ideology selection between ST and Plastics? If so, your “late-game” does not go one for so long, and I don’t see how Order would much delay your T185 goal for Plastics. Can Order versus Freedom even be ten turns difference at the pace you are aiming for? (Of course if that puts you from T225 to T235, you have missed the benchmark for this game. Still, it seems to me like it might be worth your trouble to try your late game a couple of different ways.)
stormtrooper412
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Even if you off Plastics to T190-195 you can still finish with a good enough time of around 240-250. I was only late because I mistimed the endgame GS generation (and lost PT), by delaying Hubble a bit, I may have squeezed another one in and even got it under 250. I managed a few Order SVs in 250 range
The ideology pressure thing sometimes doesn't seem to work as advertised so the best thing to do is work around it and/or brace for impact
The ideology pressure thing sometimes doesn't seem to work as advertised so the best thing to do is work around it and/or brace for impact
I was just listing hypothetical milestones after the Order vs. Freedom comment, not necessarily related.
I'll give it a few more tries.
I almost never care about ideology pressure. Building happiness building/wonders usually does the trick. In my game I did get lucky with an AI following freedom, but still I wouldn't have enough GS for sub 230 with my 200 plastics. The real limiting factor for Order is you need high production to be competitive with freedom, and you need to reach key tech quickly in order to allow time to build parts. With freedom, you can afford to grow and maximize bulb values, since you can just buy everything on the last 1-2 turns.
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Perhaps, that depends on the AI. I went full Domination in this game, and Egypt kept offering DoF the whole time. And he is usually a prick.
Anyway, I finished on t277, getting Atomic Theory from Dario. Assyria is definitely fun on my list. In the ICL Assyria game I finished with XB's, but this time I went into the atomic era, and it was pretty enjoyable.
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stormtrooper412
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Good, now do a fast SV 
1) I think it's fine for a sub-230 game, your city sizes are already good without it though
2) 7-8 city Liberty and 5-6 city Tradition are likely equally good on this map, seems to be the case for all the NQ pangea maps posted so far. I think this map is sub-210 potential, the main problems are LToP going early and zero chance of getting a religion
3) Maybe, but this particular map has mediocre early production and no forests to chop
4) I like to buy science buildings in the capital, I don't bother with RAs usually, but if you have the spare cash there's no reason not to sign them I guess
Full Tradition - Commerce to Landsknechts pre-Renaissance, then Rationalism to Secularism and Free thought, Mercantilism, 6 in Freedom, opened Patronage because I had too much culture and noone built Forbidden Palace, finished Rationalism.
I built Writers' Guild in the first expo a bit before T90 (that city had good food + river for a garden, and the capital was busy building NC, Oracle, HS anyway). Artists' Guild in the capital around T125, Musicians' Guild in the capital right after winning World's Fair for the culture.
Thanks vadalaz for the great responses.
Currently at T130 and this will be my final attempt. Things went very well early on and I took advantage of several opportunities. 4-city Tradition with Temple of Artemis; I won't expand further. I think 2 big mistakes I've made previously (in many of my games) are ignoring culture (Guilds, CS) and gold (Markets, Banks) for half the game. I built the first 2 guilds (in capital) almost exactly the turns you've mentioned; I seldom try to win WF, just target 350.
I cleared a few barb camps for CS and traded to get their luxury requests. I opened Patronage (don't think I was at Medieval yet) and got Scholasticism. I took advantage of a war to sneak in and conquer a capital (scout-Archer, spear-upgraded from starting warrior, CS-gifted warrior) and immediately sold it for 66gpt and 3 luxuries. I sold any luxuries I had and now on T130 I have 6 CS allies and 3 are Cultural. I grabbed LToP with a GE. Cities are 21, 13, 12, and 11.
My mid and late-game science has been sub-par compared to the top players, so we'll see if I screw this up or ride the lucky breaks/previous map knowledge/better play to sub-230.
Currently at T130 and this will be my final attempt. Things went very well early on and I took advantage of several opportunities. 4-city Tradition with Temple of Artemis; I won't expand further. I think 2 big mistakes I've made previously (in many of my games) are ignoring culture (Guilds, CS) and gold (Markets, Banks) for half the game. I built the first 2 guilds (in capital) almost exactly the turns you've mentioned; I seldom try to win WF, just target 350.
I cleared a few barb camps for CS and traded to get their luxury requests. I opened Patronage (don't think I was at Medieval yet) and got Scholasticism. I took advantage of a war to sneak in and conquer a capital (scout-Archer, spear-upgraded from starting warrior, CS-gifted warrior) and immediately sold it for 66gpt and 3 luxuries. I sold any luxuries I had and now on T130 I have 6 CS allies and 3 are Cultural. I grabbed LToP with a GE. Cities are 21, 13, 12, and 11.
My mid and late-game science has been sub-par compared to the top players, so we'll see if I screw this up or ride the lucky breaks/previous map knowledge/better play to sub-230.
