I was referring to Protestant Portugal.Catholic Portugal
New commit is up. It's been a while since the last one, but I haven't been idle in the meantime. This one featured an extensive overhaul of several wonders and the addition of some new ones. Due to many wonders lacking an appropriate tech requirement, I've added another tech, Patronage (this is a singular event!). It requires Music and Guilds and gives a free artist for the first civ that discovers it, instead of Music. Short summary of the wonder changes:
- Khajuraho is now cheaper
- Statue of Zeus now obsoletes with Theology instead of Divine Right
- University of Sankore expires with Education now
- Pantheon replaced with the Leaning Tower again, requires Patronage
- La Mezquita now gives two free priests
- Added the Versailles wonder, requires Patronage and Divine Right, starts a golden age
- Completely removed the Great Bath
- Sistine Chapel now requires Patronage
- Added the Empire State Building wonder, requires Steel and Industrialism, +1 gold per population point
- Added the Grand Canal wonder, requires Machinery, Calendar and a river, +2 commerce from river tiles for its city, expires with Replaceable Parts
- Added the Floating Gardens wonder, requires Construction and Corn, +1 food from river tiles for its city, expires with Optics
- Added the Trafalgar Square wonder, requires Astronomy, Chemistry and a level 3 naval unit, +5 XP and +50% construction speed for naval units, expires with Combustion
- Old Borobudur effect removed, it now allows great prophets to create great works like great artists
- Kremlin now requires Gunpowder and gives +2 espionage per state religion building
- Westminster Palace now expires with Fiber Optics
- Great Sphinx now gives unlimited artists to its city
- Extra trade route yield removed from Porcelain Tower, replaced with +2 free merchants
- Added the Lubyanka wonder, requires Communism, +2 espionage per specialist
Other changes:
- Negative attitude modifiers between Orthodoxy and other Christians halved, Peter and Catherine also care less about religion
- Thai changes: Ho Trai now gives +25% culture, Chang Suek has +50% against Riflemen
- Resurrection changes: respawning civs shouldn't be that technologically advanced anymore
- The Greek UP now expires after the Classical Era
- Great Artists' great works now only provide 800 culture per era (ancient counts as 1 here)
- To accomodate for this change, Japan's first UHV goal now only requires 20000 culture
For details refer to the history file.
I like most of these, except a few:New commit is up. It's been a while since the last one, but I haven't been idle in the meantime. This one featured an extensive overhaul of several wonders and the addition of some new ones. Due to many wonders lacking an appropriate tech requirement, I've added another tech, Patronage (this is a singular event!). It requires Music and Guilds and gives a free artist for the first civ that discovers it, instead of Music. Short summary of the wonder changes:
- Khajuraho is now cheaper
- Statue of Zeus now obsoletes with Theology instead of Divine Right
- University of Sankore expires with Education now
- Pantheon replaced with the Leaning Tower again, requires Patronage
- La Mezquita now gives two free priests
- Added the Versailles wonder, requires Patronage and Divine Right, starts a golden age
- Completely removed the Great Bath
- Sistine Chapel now requires Patronage
- Added the Empire State Building wonder, requires Steel and Industrialism, +1 gold per population point
- Added the Grand Canal wonder, requires Machinery, Calendar and a river, +2 commerce from river tiles for its city, expires with Replaceable Parts
- Added the Floating Gardens wonder, requires Construction and Corn, +1 food from river tiles for its city, expires with Optics
- Added the Trafalgar Square wonder, requires Astronomy, Chemistry and a level 3 naval unit, +5 XP and +50% construction speed for naval units, expires with Combustion
- Old Borobudur effect removed, it now allows great prophets to create great works like great artists
- Kremlin now requires Gunpowder and gives +2 espionage per state religion building
- Westminster Palace now expires with Fiber Optics
- Great Sphinx now gives unlimited artists to its city
- Extra trade route yield removed from Porcelain Tower, replaced with +2 free merchants
- Added the Lubyanka wonder, requires Communism, +2 espionage per specialist
Other changes:
- Negative attitude modifiers between Orthodoxy and other Christians halved, Peter and Catherine also care less about religion
- Thai changes: Ho Trai now gives +25% culture, Chang Suek has +50% against Riflemen
- Resurrection changes: respawning civs shouldn't be that technologically advanced anymore
- The Greek UP now expires after the Classical Era
- Great Artists' great works now only provide 800 culture per era (ancient counts as 1 here)
- To accomodate for this change, Japan's first UHV goal now only requires 20000 culture
For details refer to the history file.
Their UHV doesn't rely on GA. I think it's more interesting now that you can't achieve it with one culture bomb.What's going to happen to Egypt if GAs only pop 800 in their early era?
They'll usually have unless their occupier is from another part of the world. Previously, to get a tech as a resurrected civ only one of the independents or the barbarians needed to have it. Since they're quickly updated once another civ discovers a tech, this often means that resurrected civs were put on the same level as the Euros. Now civs are distributed into tech groups (roughly: Europe, Middle East, East Asia, Amerindians) and if one of them is resurrected, they get a tech if half the members of their own tech group has it (indies and barbs are in all groups so that requirement isn't as strict as it sounds). This should avoid resurrected civs suddenly getting ahead of those who were able to continue teching while they're dead (AI China was a repeat offender) without hurting them compared to their neighbours.Also, if resurrecting civs don't have all the techs of their occupier,
they're not going to be able to fight them off as well.
The last penalty comes with the Industrial Era (or at least, is supposed to). Are you sure this actually happens?I also still think you should remove the tech penalty on China when it reaches Modern Era; for players who play only for UHV,
Industrial tech penalty will slow them down like it's supposed to before 1800.
But currently, for the other victory types, it's unnecessary.
Please remove the penalty upon reaching Modern, Leoreth.
The general idea of Borobudur was to be able to get culture from religion while still playing religion-oriented (it had the original Khmer culture goal in mind). I thought hiring artists just didn't feel very religion-oriented. That said, soon after I made this change I revised the Great Sphinx and thought it would make sense to swap their effects (Egypt's culture was very religious in nature and so it'd finally make sense to build Obelisks and run priests). Instead of the unlimited scientists, Borobudur could then even get its old effect back. What do you think?I like most of these, except a few:
(1) I like Borobudur's old effect better.
For one, Cultural goals such as the Japanese UHV should be obtainable equally from Settled Artists as they are from Great Works. Settled Artists are especially useful on Epic and Marathon, as Great Works do not create additional Culture, but the Culture requirement is higher.
For another, the old Borobudur really was just comparable to the Sistine Chapel. In fact, I'd say the Chapel was even better than the old Borobudur, as a Chapel Scientist/Merchant provides almost as much Culture as an Artist, and more. Now, the Borobudur is just useless compared to the Sistine Chapel. The Chapel also does not obsolete, making it even more powerful.
Good point. The reasoning behind this was twofold: Muslim religion -> commerces effects needed a nerf because they made Arabia too easy, and I thought that letting you choose between its science effect and universities makes sense. Historically, it took long for European style universities to enter the Muslim world so that makes further sense. If you want to make more use of Sankore, don't research Education.(2) University of Sankore obsoletes too early. Education is just one tech after Paper - are you serious? If you want earlier obsolescence it's fine, choose something more moderate like Liberalism or Constitution.
Also, why doesn't the Spiral Minaret get the same treatment? I mean, the two Wonders have similar effects, but the Minaret is available even earlier. I suggest the Spiral Minaret obsolete with Assembly Line at the latest.
But those Artists you could only run after building Temples and Cathedrals (As you removed the Religious Civic that allows for unlimited Priests, iirc). So it's still very Religious in flavor, no? In any case, a civ with a Cultural UHV should run mass Artists regardless of which Wonders they have or haven't built.The general idea of Borobudur was to be able to get culture from religion while still playing religion-oriented (it had the original Khmer culture goal in mind). I thought hiring artists just didn't feel very religion-oriented.
One could also argue that the Madrasahs are the first true Universities in the world. Moreover, if you go by the date European style universities spread, then China should not have Education till the 20th century, which is obviously unrealistic.Historically, it took long for European style universities to enter the Muslim world so that makes further sense.
I believe the poor artists could really use some love - it makes quite a lot of sense too, providing entertainment for your people should make them coffee, as well as building a theater for them or giving them some coffee does. Is that something you'll consider Leoreth?
I think it's too powerful for normal artists, but it's good idea for great artists which you often don't settle anyway.Something completely different btw, given the current Indian UP, I'd take it you discovered how to change the specialist effects etc.? I proposed sometime ago to let artists and great artists create happiness also, to give them another purpose than border popping and cultural UHVs, I believe the poor artists could really use some love - it makes quite a lot of sense too, providing entertainment for your people should make them happy, as well as building a theater for them or giving them some coffee does. Is that something you'll consider Leoreth?
Might be better if you start from 3000 BC (but meanwhile the wait time...). In my game as China London got taken by the Vikings, and Persia beat me to Calendar (Taoist Jerusalem ).
I think it's too powerful for normal artists, but it's good idea for great artists which you often don't settle anyway.