This is far from conclusive, but in the latest game I'm playing, the price of peace has gone UP when I've destroyed a vassals units. Before killing a caravel, 395, after killing his vassal's caravel, 410? In another case in the same game, I wiped his vassal's stack, and while I lost some units, I clearly came out way ahead, and the price of peace went from 690 gold to one of my weak cities. Later, after taking one of his vassal's cities, it went from my weak city to a core city! (this last one is kind of neutral though, as I seem to recall war success of taking cities is actually quite low, and I lost more units than they did). What gives? Is this a known bug?
Strange peace price behaviour
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Well, is it a bug? Why shouldn't reparations get higher the more damage you have to compensate for? Actually sounds quite plausible...
Culture Bomb
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Maybe it's to do with relative strength compared to the average of all civs.
So when you wipe out a vassal's stack, you weaken that civ, but this means that the master's strength is higher compared to the average of all civs, so he feels more powerful and is less willing to make peace.
So when you wipe out a vassal's stack, you weaken that civ, but this means that the master's strength is higher compared to the average of all civs, so he feels more powerful and is less willing to make peace.
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Some civilizations offer more for peace when you do serious damage hy taking away many of their vital wonder full cities.
While that might make sense, it's in fact the opposite, in so far as I know. The more damage you do, the more they will pay to get peace, as a function of war success
This is what I thought was the case based on my understanding of war success.
And this is the only remaining thing I could think of that would be at all logical. But it still doesn't explain how the price went up for killing a vassal's caravel, which was the one I specifically tested. 395 gold before killing it, 410 after.
Ghpstage
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Nothing like that governing this.Culture Bomb said:
Was the caravel killed without losses, and was the price check done immediately before and after killing it?traius said:
If you didn't lose anything and no turns were changed then something weird is going on
The most probable cause is (what I feel is) an overrepresentation of the power ratio in how the value of peace is calculated.
The way its plonked it skews everthing towards the 'stronger' player. Specifically the value of a point of war success isn't equal between 2 warring civs.
The calculations are carried out for each team, with the AI having extra steps based on its situation and strategy that can screw the player (total war strategy doubles its own peace value!). With the final values subtracted from one another to determine who pays and how much.
Oddly the total number of cities and pop belonging to both sides of a war are used in each players calculation!
Teams are used, so vassals are counted corectly.
Spoiler :
and this is before the AI only multipliers come into effect...
True, but didn't you say you're the one who has to pay in this situation? So the AI clearly feels supperior to you (and increasingly so - you're the one losing units) and is the one making demands...
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