Acken
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Yep AI approach and opinion only change on its turn among many other diplomacy updates. And trade value is a functon of it
Liberty Wide Game Guide (Acken's version)
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Acken
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Depends what you wish to do with the luxury.
miaasma
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AI will declare war on you for settling too many cities almost like it's a reflex, seemingly regardless of personality bias or initial attitude towards you. it'll sometimes be two of them, but usually only one of them will actually move towards you (likely because that one asked the other to go to war against you). this is something to keep in mind if you plan on settling many cities early, faster than the AI is settling (triggering the "building cities too aggressively" negative modifier). even if this happens, they may not really be ready to fight you, at least not in my experience (it's not the same thing as a premeditated attack from a deceptive AI who pretends to like you then carpets you the next turn)
What you say is true, in this game they both declared war but didnt attack the foward settled cities before like 15turns after the DOW, and only japan attacked me, but i think it's more because they are busy warring somewhere else.
Japan started to move to detroy me when he made peace with askia, and i expect zulus to do the same when they'll stop fighting alex...
i will continue this game later cause i'm trying the ethiopia CDG and the game ended with the same strategy but i'll be abble to have a useful religion this time i think.
i'm super bad at keeping my religion in my empire, if you have some advices i'd appreciate it.
Another question, on ethiopia CDG i have allready 7 cities with 8 uniques luxuries, is it worth it to settle 2-3 more cities on good spots without luxs? i'll settle the coast to avoid someone else picking up the spot(in red), which could be super annoying.
but i wonder if a city in the northor in the coast is really useful? the spots seems decent (in blue) but it's really overlaping other cities.
the real drawback to this strategy is that 1 turn is like 3 time longer than a regular tradition game ...
screenshot of the ethiopia game :
Japan started to move to detroy me when he made peace with askia, and i expect zulus to do the same when they'll stop fighting alex...
i will continue this game later cause i'm trying the ethiopia CDG and the game ended with the same strategy but i'll be abble to have a useful religion this time i think.
i'm super bad at keeping my religion in my empire, if you have some advices i'd appreciate it.
Another question, on ethiopia CDG i have allready 7 cities with 8 uniques luxuries, is it worth it to settle 2-3 more cities on good spots without luxs? i'll settle the coast to avoid someone else picking up the spot(in red), which could be super annoying.
but i wonder if a city in the northor in the coast is really useful? the spots seems decent (in blue) but it's really overlaping other cities.
the real drawback to this strategy is that 1 turn is like 3 time longer than a regular tradition game ...
screenshot of the ethiopia game :
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You could but do you even have any military to repel an invasion - you're building a lot of infrastructure which is good but that isn't going to help if China attacks you. They get a very powerful Great General bonus and you with a lot of cities will lose your UA so you're in a vulnerable position.
you'r right, but i skipped the military right now cause china is fighting rome, and north AI are not even a threat.
compared to the other game, AI is still friendly and doesnt hate me too much for settling agressivly which i dont really understand, but i expect my chinese friend to backstab me dont worry i though about it when building the aqueduc and said myself, it's ok cash can rush buy 2 unit and the empire hammers can product a good army pretty fast i think.
compared to the other game, AI is still friendly and doesnt hate me too much for settling agressivly which i dont really understand, but i expect my chinese friend to backstab me dont worry i though about it when building the aqueduc and said myself, it's ok cash can rush buy 2 unit and the empire hammers can product a good army pretty fast i think.
How often can you viably go wide with Poland on pangea deity? I just played a game where I forced myself to build a fifth city at a decent location and happiness is a BIG struggle. I'm literally forced to use 750-1000 gold and a spy on a mercantile CS and I literally have to buy/trade for every single spare lux that an AI has and still often have to build many coliseums/circus maximus making it very difficult for me to build lower priority buildings like markets/temples.
I can't get this to work, the happiness burden is too great and I feel like the fifth city gimps me hard unless I can get a strong religion going with tons of faith generation from Uluru or something so I can quickly establish cheap pagodas.
I can't get this to work, the happiness burden is too great and I feel like the fifth city gimps me hard unless I can get a strong religion going with tons of faith generation from Uluru or something so I can quickly establish cheap pagodas.
consentient
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Well since I founded 13 cities with The Celts, and have yet to build their UB, and have had no major happiness issues, I can confirm that it is certainly possible to build more than 4 cities.
How? Well, look at the sources of happines.
Luxuries. Does each city you settle have a unique lux? Have you traded your spare copies for unique that the AI has but you don't?
CS. Have you allied all that you can?
Buildings. Do you have a Circus, Colosseum, Stone Works everywhere you can get one?
Religion. Consider Asceticism or even better the Pagoda/Mosque/Cathedrals.
Social Policies. Commerce, Patronage, Liberty, Honor, Tradition, Exploration, all have happiness in them.
Ideology. Autocracy in particular is swimming in happiness.
How? Well, look at the sources of happines.
Luxuries. Does each city you settle have a unique lux? Have you traded your spare copies for unique that the AI has but you don't?
CS. Have you allied all that you can?
Buildings. Do you have a Circus, Colosseum, Stone Works everywhere you can get one?
Religion. Consider Asceticism or even better the Pagoda/Mosque/Cathedrals.
Social Policies. Commerce, Patronage, Liberty, Honor, Tradition, Exploration, all have happiness in them.
Ideology. Autocracy in particular is swimming in happiness.
If your population is growing too fast, consider reassigning some citizens to work hills, quarries, pastures and specialist slots instead of farms. Even merchant slots, the gold is better than food if you can't grow anyway, especially if you already have Secularism. You won't be losing too much then, 1 extra pop brings 2 base beakers if you have public schools, same as a Secularism specialist. Use the extra gold and production to get more happiness and grow your cities again. You can also change some food trade routes to hammer or international ones temporarily.
Acken
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Religion is a big helper for one of the +2 happiness. Making coloseums and circus is normal. If you have happiness issues consider slowing down on growth for more peoduction.
Stacked_Deck
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What's the best course if you fail to expand adequately? If I only managed to get to 4 cities before the AI started grabbing contested land, then is war the best way to go? Obviously a 4 city liberty game is horrendous compared to a tradition one, but I find early war (crossbow or earlier) to be such a killer on infrastructure that I find it difficult to get back into the game.
I really like wide strategies but they usually fizzle out for me, really looking forward to trying this strat'.
I really like wide strategies but they usually fizzle out for me, really looking forward to trying this strat'.
consentient
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I think that this guide is much more aimed at games without early war. If you make early war with Liberty, you wouldn't be able to follow this guide much. If you want early conquest, I'd stick to 3 cities and concentrate on the army.
If you want to expand, do it as quickly and early as you have the happiness to do.
If you want to expand, do it as quickly and early as you have the happiness to do.
Acken
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You can indeed try to branch out with an early cb rush instead but you wouldnt be able to really folliw the guide after that.
But the difference between this opener and liberty early wars is minimal for the first 50 turns. You will have one more city than the 3 usually suggested and you will have to make more units and less watermills/granary.
But the difference between this opener and liberty early wars is minimal for the first 50 turns. You will have one more city than the 3 usually suggested and you will have to make more units and less watermills/granary.
Thank you all for the advice. I found that I was stressing too much over nothing and probably prioritizing food a bit much but I've gotten the hang of it now I think. Also building happiness buildings isn't as big of a deal with liberty production bonuses.
I do have a question concerning Poland.
Acken, with Poland would you go for both tradition and liberty entirely? Tradition Opener > Collective Rule> Tradition finish > Liberty Finish > Rationalism
The problem here is obviously that secularism is massively delayed, patronage is a complete non option, and commerce may be unreachable, but I was wondering what you thought about that.
Also, I feel that if I'm vs wonder building civs and I can't get Machu Picchu, I'm going to be poor for a long, long, looooong time. This is somewhat made up by the extra production but it makes allying CS a pain.
Also, they really need to remove that "building cities too aggressively" negative diplomatic modifier. I looked it up, and that gives +35 negative diplomacy which is equivalent to denouncing an AI. Absolutely ridiculous and pointless considering the AI can also covet your lands.
Acken
Deity
Im not a fan of mixing both trees. I think tradition is best when finished very fast. But some users have had good results.
Also yes the extra diplo hit is annoying
Also yes the extra diplo hit is annoying
so im giving this a go for a wide CV using Siam. my plan is to get 6-8 cities (1-2 from brief early war, maybe) and ive got a map where i can get 6 pretty easy. (for some reason, my new ultra wide monitor isnt taking proper screen caps. theyre all complete black or only terrain, no details, and i cant figure out why.) so here's the save if you want to give it a try.
turn 0
View attachment Ramkhamhaeng_0000 BC-4000.Civ5Save
turn 102
View attachment Ramkhamhaeng_0102 BC-0325.Civ5Save
so here is the state of the game at t102. (spoiled for wall of text reasons)
any advice would be helpful. thanks.
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turn 0
View attachment Ramkhamhaeng_0000 BC-4000.Civ5Save
turn 102
View attachment Ramkhamhaeng_0102 BC-0325.Civ5Save
so here is the state of the game at t102. (spoiled for wall of text reasons)
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any advice would be helpful. thanks.
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adcarrymaokai
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Go to video settings and uncheck "fullscreen." I bought a new computer with a huge screen, and it was screwing my screenshots, until I changed to almost full screen window mode.
I tried it and it was quite good map. I managed to get 7 cities with turn 94 NC. If you want some other info then ask. Save file attached from turn ~100.
I think you should always build all your cities before NC with this strategy. It really makes the difference.
