Korea versus Maya

Hi everyone,

I have another question regarding the performances of two civs: Korea Versus Mayas.

I really like both, playing tall and generally heading to a science victory or at least, trying to get a significant scientific advantage.
However, I do appreciate a lot versatile civs.

Maya is obviously one of the best civ, science oriented, able to play on many different grounds due to its UA. I absolutely love the civ and how polyvalent maya can become, while being able to have a great scientific start with heavy religion.

However, I'm wondering about Korea.
they get science for any specialist slots filled. therefore, the guilds of artists/writers etc will also produce science...and create cultural GP.

From my view:
Maya are absolutely monsters, able to play everything. Probably beating Koreans for it. by far. But with a scientific delay.
Koreas need to be better managed in term of slots, but is still better than mayans for science generation, giving the chance for Koreans to get the Wonders before Mayas.

so... Which civ, among these two, would be the best science oriented civ while being able to generate culture and social policies?

( I didnt write about Babylon, as I consider that this is a pure player of Science and not about Poland, because... well, I dont like playing Poland )

Many thanks for your answers !

Korea is better than Maya. If you play with them properly, they are the best for pure science.

My question here isnt about pure science generation, otherwise I'd agree with you that Korea is better than Maya (especially at the end game).
I was rather wondering about the versality of the civs in culture generation.

Culture victory is not about culture generation though. If you can get to the later techenologies quicker, you dont need much tourism. You can win without any wonders and without internet using Korea much before turn 250. It would not be so easy with Maya.

eodh said:

I have another question regarding the performances of two civs: Korea Versus Mayas.

I really like both, playing tall and generally heading to a science victory or at least, trying to get a significant scientific advantage.
However, I do appreciate a lot versatile civs.

...
so... Which civ, among these two, would be the best science oriented civ while being able to generate culture and social policies?

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Versatile = Poland, who can select policies that directly and indirectly impact science.
As you don't want Poland, I'm not quite clear on what you're looking for here in this vague comparison of 2 civs.

hiawafer said:

Culture victory is not about culture generation though. If you can get to the later techenologies quicker, you dont need much tourism. You can win without any wonders and without internet using Korea much before turn 250. It would not be so easy with Maya.

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Currently, Korea and Maya are about 10 turns apart for fastest SV, with room to improve on both. Korea obviously is stronger late game, while the Mayans can be within ~5 turns of them for most of the game, perhaps even ahead up to Education. A cultural victory goal would actually make the Mayan UA stronger than in an SV game. I think this is very close.

In my experience, excluding Spain *, fastest four winning times for all victory conditions in BNW were:

1. Babylon
2. Korea
3. Poland

The main bottleneck for Culture was science, and so the top two science's bonuses poured directly into culture. Poland got that 3rd place even for science because it's free culture policies went right back into science via faster time for Rationalism policies.

The Maya in fact gave me somewhat worse than average fastest winning times. This had to do with the "free great people" increasing the cost of the next one. The problem was somewhat less in BNW than G&K.

* Spain was excluded because if they started close enough to be first in the world to 2+ natural wonder hexes it was better than everybody else, with only 1 natural wonder hex first in the world shortly after what I've listed, and with none at all, pretty far down the list.

If you want more culture while going for science victory then Maya > Korea due to the UA giving "free GW/GA". However this wont necessarily mean that Maya will build the spaceship faster than Korea though.

For culture victory I think Maya gets the edge over Korea though, although both will lose to a lucky spain.

joncnunn said:

In my experience, excluding Spain *, fastest four winning times for all victory conditions in BNW were:

1. Babylon
2. Korea
3. Poland

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I doupt you can win duel map with these civs faster than Huns

FrostK said:

I doupt you can win duel map with these civs faster than Huns

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Early conquest victories from the combo of pangena plus small maps and below excluded from my list.

Many thanks for your answers !

joncnunn said:

Early conquest victories from the combo of pangena plus small maps and below excluded from my list.

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I guess, on archipelago standard size england will get DoV faster then any1 any victory.