Turn 81 DCL/IDS Series

This idea was suggested by kb27787!

Players who wish to participate will post save files starting on turn 81 with the first 80 turns already being played. Let us limit it to only the DCL 16 & IDS 7 games and all future DCL & IDS games.

I have decided to start with the IDS 7 Rome Game! I ended up losing on Turn 376/377 depending on how you look at it! I know that this game can be won from this point but I ended up losing the race. I am sure most players will not like the position they are in from this point but those who wish to attempt the game let us see what they can do! I do not expect many downloads but perhaps someone can start the game from turn 0 and get the empire rolling with a stronger start so more players will attempt! You can find this start file on the IDS thread on page 6. You can also find the Turn 0 DCL 16 China File on page 1. I am looking forward to someone else playing the first 80 turns and posting up the save file from turn 81 so I can get back in the game!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=538962&page=6 IDS 7 Rome

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=541394 DCL 16 China

Map Packs should be and are disabled!

Screenshot of Turn 81

You're right, I don't like this position.

My first thought was 'Dude, where's my units?'.

I'll have to pass on playing it because my second thought was 'Fractal. Ugh.'

But it's nothing personal. I remember Acken or Glory7 making their Liberty finish turn save available for DCL #1 and I didn't get far with that either. DoW'd 2 turns later by France when I was in a dreadful position to do much about it, as I remember. Watching another player's LP is one thing, taking over their save is something else, unless their play style is similar enough, and /or they tell you exactly what their thinking was and what they were trying to achieve. Looking at build queues and tech trees can give you an inkling but diplo and unit movement doesn't really translate to a 'plan'.

Especially if you have NO UNITS!

consentient said:

You're right, I don't like this position.

My first thought was 'Dude, where's my units?'.

I'll have to pass on playing it because my second thought was 'Fractal. Ugh.'

But it's nothing personal. I remember Acken or Glory7 making their Liberty finish turn save available for DCL #1 and I didn't get far with that either. DoW'd 2 turns later by France when I was in a dreadful position to do much about it, as I remember. Watching another player's LP is one thing, taking over their save is something else, unless their play style is similar enough, and /or they tell you exactly what their thinking was and what they were trying to achieve. Looking at build queues and tech trees can give you an inkling but diplo and unit movement doesn't really translate to a 'plan'.

Especially if you have NO UNITS!

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Edit: I have a pretty detailed write up on the IDS thread under this games so it is not hard to see what I was thinking and my plan. I also have a full detailed Build Order for my Capital and Expo so you can see when I built my army. I also had a CS ally giving me some units as well to get on with the war. I was not worried about an attack from my northern neighbor since his is usually a loyal DOF.

The first spoiler is part of my write up suggesting some of my plan for War.

consentient said:

Watching another player's LP is one thing, taking over their save is something else, unless their play style is similar enough, and /or they tell you exactly what their thinking was and what they were trying to achieve.

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Heck, I have a tough time picking up from my own games if I've been away for a few days.

@ Shark Diver

Oh you are the prime candidate!! I know you started this game so I am hoping you have the turn 81 save file and post it up asap so I can give it a go. I have my auto save files at 400 so I get all the files saved for one game.

Edit: Im guessing if you have it set to only 40 auto saves with 1 turn. Playing another game is going to force out your Rome files. No problem. Your next IDS or DCL game try to save the turn 81 file so I can play them out!

Fluphen Azine said:

@ Shark Diver

Oh you are the prime candidate!! I know you started this game so I am hoping you have the turn 81 save file and post it up asap so I can give it a go. I have my auto save files at 400 so I get all the files saved for one game.

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Hah!. I think I have mine at t40-something. Will have to go back and look when I get the chance. Focusing on finishing Dutch game when/if I have free time this week before next DCL comes out. (I have rarely played a game as slowly……10 minutes per turn with all of the horse trading I'm having to do just to stay afloat…..not to mention naval battles take me forever as I calculate the tactics way too much).

Another turn 81 Start where most players will not be happy with the current situation. However, I am trying to jump start this idea and will post another file.
I think it is a better set up compared to the Rome file but it will be a challenge as well with hardly no units!

Warning: I needed to avoid growth in the Capital for a turn or two so remember that it is clicked on.
I also just gave Denmark a huge trade to wage war on Russia on turn 80 right before this save.

Map Packs should be and are disabled!

Screenshot of Turn 81

Fluphen:
I'll play yours if you'll play mine
I'll play later this evening to t80..


btw Fluphen, you're trying to spread yourself way too thin IMO... your units would have a hard time fighting even barbs: all Harald needs to do is walk in after 10 turns (if his heart is not in fighting Russia) with his units and you are toast.

t80... I have only one city, but NC is done, happy, relatively rich, (and safe) empire with good infrastructure in the form of workers and units, great diplomacy having several friends, including the barbarian (who wiped Russia out under 50 turns) and a settler coming out next turn as well as loads of land to the south and west to expand into.

kb27787 said:

Fluphen:
I'll play yours if you'll play mine
I'll play later this evening to t80..


btw Fluphen, you're trying to spread yourself way too thin IMO... your units would have a hard time fighting even barbs: all Harald needs to do is walk in after 10 turns (if his heart is not in fighting Russia) with his units and you are toast.

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Not only will I play your game out to the bitter end but I would most likely play anyones turn 80/81 save file out. I find it fun!

About my stlye....



About Your Style...

Your at 1 city with more units and I do not like it lol! However that is what this thread is all about! Playing another persons game from turn 81 and dealing with it! It is not going to be easy or comfortable but it is something new, fresh, and fun!

Fluphen Azine said:

Not only will I play your game out to the bitter end but I would most likely play anyones turn 80/81 save file out. I find it fun!

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Heh, I doubt But in any case here is my T80 save

@Sun

I just finished up the DCL 17 Germany map and am going to take a break but I will get to both of your games very soon. Thanks for posting up and trying something new!

kb27787's Turn 80 File/Game... Up to Turn 225



Diplomatic Victory Turn 288... kb27787's turn 80 file start!

(I find it funny you can make Germany the World Leader and I haven't won Diplo for awhile so I thought why not?)

One down and one to go! I will get to your start very soon sun8119! Your start does not look very bad at all!

Not so bad Sun8119... I did not like that I was at war with Denmark from the get go but it was pretty easy to get a peace deal for 8gpt from them. I decided to take the deal since I couldn't get anyone to war with them and they started to get pikes up and I was 6 turns away from Machinery. So I just upgraded and am looking forward to taking the Capital. I did put him to war with a CS (Vins) and hope he captures it making the world hate him. After that I will most likely tech up and see what is next! I did notice you have all your cities set to default but I prefer setting it to production and locking down certain hexes! All this is just what the player prefers and I think you can make any of it work out to a victory! I am not sure if I am having trouble with your file though because at first it took very long to load the game and after about 30 turns the game crashed which usually never happens to me.

EDIT: Diplomatic Victory Turn 292/sun8119s Turn 80 Save File!

this is an interesting idea! i may serve up some t81 starts for whoever has the time to inherit a situation. i rarely had time to do a whole game but i can easily do the first 80t.

I think I like playing the first 80 turns more so than finishing the game out. The only problem is that I am most likely the only person to play them out. However, I think other players will be more likely to play your turns out more so than my starts! I do know that kb27787 is going to finish out my start but I'm not sure how many times he would want to play my starts out since it usually ends up in an SV which does not make him happy lol!

i will try to do these on DCLs others havent done 80t on. or take requests for any if they wish. at the very least id only expect some to open and look at the save, not necessarily play it out. neat idea for this though. reminds me of those gotms we did where you start in a later era.

I always enjoy people opening up a sentence with "No Offense....But lol!" Anyways I had no trouble with Harold my whole game if you read my write up to the original save. Actually very much the opposite. He was my best friend and I was his only friend in the whole world. As a matter of fact the whole world except for England was my DOF most of the game. It was only when I took all of Harold's cities that he was not my friend anymore and the city that he had built that I blocked for a long time over by Cero was very good since it was his last city and I did not have to genocide him. I also Liberated Russia. When you say I didn't want Denmark to crush Russia you are wrong. That is exactly what I wanted. I also paid for Denmark to go and kill a couple of CS's as well. This makes all the AI's hate that Civ and is very useful for me to put him to war with everyone and leaving me alone sending me all his goodies and even an RA or two. Later, after our DOF expires and I have no use for him anymore I denounce him making the world love me and I go kill him, selling all his cities for large amounts of gold and liberating all CS's and Civs that he decided to genocide.

All this being said your comments are valid for your style of play. I had no problem clearing barbs and actually most of my game I just kept the few units over there to spawn bust which used to be very popular in civ 4. Not ideal for Germany but I did not find the UA very useful for me this game since I was planning on a late game war.

It is safe to say once again that your style and my style are completely different. You have better ideas for a large pop/small city empire and most likely will win in a faster turn time. My game is set up for a more diverse type of game. I want to be able to have some war in my game since I enjoy it. I may even decide late that I want to Dominate the entire world so I tend to focus more on production rather than growth mid game. I am not going to say one way is better than the other. They both show that victory is most likely going to happen either style you choose.

I do not know what you did to upset the Vikings but in my game they were my best friends. I am guessing that the pike that I built to go over and kill a Barb hut that had one of his workers in it was the best thing I did in the game. After rescuing his worker I never had a problem with him and he was a very good DOF sending me all his trade routes.