dalamb
Deity
Well, we've done a couple of Global Highlands over the months, so if we go for a chokepoint map instead of FR I'd pick Creation unless someone experienced with it pipes up to say it's a bad idea.
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The Nobles' Club Bullpen: Second Cycle
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Haven't been around much lately since I'm on another FfH II kick, but since I suggested Creation originally, I'll try to provide some feedback.
Creation is a good map for turtling as the high number of mountain valleys make defense easy. On the downside, the limited amount of land means rapid early expansion is important, as is aggressive exploration to find worthwhile sites. {Chuckles' IMP trait will be valuable here.}
Another reason aggressive exploration is important is that the while Cephalo (the script's creator) worked hard to make sure every mountain valley is accessable, the path is not always obvious or direct. It is quite possible in order to get to your immediate neighbor in the next valley over you may have to go four valleys north and fight through two intervening AIs and a barb city or two, and only then can you go south to your primary target. Paratroopers and missiles will be useful on this mapscript should the game go on so long.
The defensive aspects of the script can also work against you, as the AIs can turtle and fortify the chokepoints as well, and BtS does not have Fireballs and Summon spells like FfH II does. {As a number of more skilled BtS players have pointed out, there is no such thing as too much Siege ...}
Creation is a good map for turtling as the high number of mountain valleys make defense easy. On the downside, the limited amount of land means rapid early expansion is important, as is aggressive exploration to find worthwhile sites. {Chuckles' IMP trait will be valuable here.}
Another reason aggressive exploration is important is that the while Cephalo (the script's creator) worked hard to make sure every mountain valley is accessable, the path is not always obvious or direct. It is quite possible in order to get to your immediate neighbor in the next valley over you may have to go four valleys north and fight through two intervening AIs and a barb city or two, and only then can you go south to your primary target. Paratroopers and missiles will be useful on this mapscript should the game go on so long.
The defensive aspects of the script can also work against you, as the AIs can turtle and fortify the chokepoints as well, and BtS does not have Fireballs and Summon spells like FfH II does. {As a number of more skilled BtS players have pointed out, there is no such thing as too much Siege ...}
Spoiler Creation/Erebus in FfH II :
@dalamb: I found another typo: the actual nc 73 thread was named as roman number 63. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=420936
dalamb
Deity
Thanks; I fixed it. Also, NC 76 (Charlemagne) is up.
vranasm
Deity
@dalamb
after looking at the last NC map I think it would be nice to use some heavy food map for next game (and ideally low commerce at the same time).
Is there even one?
after looking at the last NC map I think it would be nice to use some heavy food map for next game (and ideally low commerce at the same time).
Is there even one?
Danelius90
Hunter (of vegetables)
That would be good, I'd like to try that
dalamb
Deity
I don't know if there's a map type that guarantees high food, but I'll ask in the General forum later today. I suspect Planet Generator or Full of Resources might, but I haven't figured those out yet.
It wouldn't be all that hard for me just to take a normal map and add lots of food -- might take less time than examining how Creation worked.
It wouldn't be all that hard for me just to take a normal map and add lots of food -- might take less time than examining how Creation worked.
He's the leader of the Minors, who are civs that are automatically at war with everybody else, and he has no starting traits or UU's. I don't actually know how to be Sid, but i think TMIT had a guide that told you how.
This is the LHC with him here.
dalamb
Deity
Hammurabi (Agg/Org) is scheduled for July 8, and given that the current game is an unusual map, he should get a more "ordinary" one. Given the request for a food-rich map I'll probably play around with Full of Resources but it has a huge number of options, which AFAIK let it simulate a lot of other map types -- so free free to suggest what basic map type you'd like it to resemble. Org is good for a larger early empire, the Hammam good for large cities (+2
as well as the colliseum's usual +1
), and Agg good for early conquest. The Bowman is a good defensive unit (getting +50% versus the usual melee attackers) but not so great on offence; nevertheless as long as there's copper for axemen the UU helps with conquest by letting you feel safer with fewer defenders when you conquer a city. All this means I think the map should allow some early REX and an axe rush. But feel free to suggest something different.
I am thinking of modifying the initial boilerplate slightly:
as well as the colliseum's usual +1), and Agg good for early conquest. The Bowman is a good defensive unit (getting +50% versus the usual melee attackers) but not so great on offence; nevertheless as long as there's copper for axemen the UU helps with conquest by letting you feel safer with fewer defenders when you conquer a city. All this means I think the map should allow some early REX and an axe rush. But feel free to suggest something different.I am thinking of modifying the initial boilerplate slightly:
The stuff in italics is the revision; the link is in the first Bullpen post, but I think it belongs in each game, too.
vranasm
Deity
dunno rain forest mentioned before heared good... but there is usually a lot of jungle involved.
Danelius90
Hunter (of vegetables)
I played my most recent game on rainforest, partly with this suggestion in mind to see what it was like. Copious jungle but loads of food (like 3 rice adjacent, wet corn in cap etc).
I tried a game with full of resources to try a game on a lower difficulty without iron or something. Think I did something wrong because I had absolutely ridiculous amounts of food, gems and stuff. It was madness. But it shouldn't be so bad to work out with time...
dalamb
Deity
NC 77 Hammurabi is up. As requested, it's a food-rich map.
I'm starting to plan the next round of 5-6 leaders; for perfect trait distribution, one round covers 5 unique combinations and the next covers 6 combinations with one duplicate trait. At the moment every trait has been played four times. Feel free to suggest which unplayed leader(s) to try this time. For some reason I'm partial to Shaka today (Agg/Exp) though we'd play him a bit later in the round because Hammy is also Agg, but we can leave him out for now if people prefer some other Agg or Exp leader.
I'm starting to plan the next round of 5-6 leaders; for perfect trait distribution, one round covers 5 unique combinations and the next covers 6 combinations with one duplicate trait. At the moment every trait has been played four times. Feel free to suggest which unplayed leader(s) to try this time. For some reason I'm partial to Shaka today (Agg/Exp) though we'd play him a bit later in the round because Hammy is also Agg, but we can leave him out for now if people prefer some other Agg or Exp leader.
Zechnophobe
Strategy Lich
Yeah... 809 thousand points for me on NC77. That's so far beyond the bounds of ridiculous I don't know what else to say. And I could have 'juiced' that for another 300 years and likely gotten substantially better.
dalamb
Deity
I personally think I've erred to far in the direction of "nonstandard maps". I also think the high food on NC 77 was a serious misinterpretation of what someone was asking for. So I expect that in future there'll be maybe only one "nonstandard" map per mini-cycle, and if somebody asks for something specific, I'll try harder to make sure I understand exactly what they mean.
I'll make sure to put in at least one of Russia, India, or Mongolia this time; likely I can fit in two of them given that they all have multiple choices of trait combinations.
I'll make sure to put in at least one of Russia, India, or Mongolia this time; likely I can fit in two of them given that they all have multiple choices of trait combinations.
