Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
It's a big rock with a lot of sheep and some people. Let them decide and for goodness sake shut up and feed the news with something more interesting.
The Falkland Islands
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So is Australia.
Disgustipated
Deity
Pretty much, except Australia has more people.
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
So is Australia.
If it weren't for Neighbours and Tailleskanguru I'm not sure if I would give a damn about them either.
uat2d
ಠ_ಠ
If you ignore the sheep part, you're pretty much talking about the pale blue dot from our perspective.
imperialman
Admiral
They did, overwhelmingly.
It's a shame that it hasn't meaningfully increased their pverall rate of die-off.
This is what I was saying some time ago:
Now, people does Thatcheron really care about ~3000 people or is it the billions in dispute over potential oil exploitation plus control over Antarctica, plus the more immediate objective of looking capable of doing anything at all instead of showing how crappy his government and any other Tory government is?
Until war broke out, a solution was never far away. The Argentine and British views were on the verge of being reconciled in 1977 when a Foreign Office minister in the Jim Callaghans Labour government, Ted Rowlands, recommended that there should be a compromise whereby the islands would become Argentine sovereign territory but with democratic self-rule and a British way of life. This compromise would not have been unlike the later agreement with China over Hong Kong.
Even when one of her most right-wing ministers took over, Nicholas Ridley, in Margaret Thatchers Conservative government, the same kind of deal was on the cards. It is the basis of what should be done now.
Before the war nobody gave a damn about a couple floating rocks with penguins on them and your own government wanted to give them away (or back, according to Argentina).Even when one of her most right-wing ministers took over, Nicholas Ridley, in Margaret Thatchers Conservative government, the same kind of deal was on the cards. It is the basis of what should be done now.
Now, people does Thatcheron really care about ~3000 people or is it the billions in dispute over potential oil exploitation plus control over Antarctica, plus the more immediate objective of looking capable of doing anything at all instead of showing how crappy his government and any other Tory government is?
Erm, what? I assume you have no idea of what a successor state is.
Spoiler yup :
Yep, no one's doing anything to settle the dispute, they're (sub/un)consciously taking as many steps they can to make sure this goes on for longer and longer.
So is Britain if we look at it that way.So is Australia.
imperialman
Admiral
I suspect it's more to do with the fact that giving away the islands today would be political suicide because of the lives lost in 1982 and public feeling towards the situation.
imperialman
Admiral
'Britain is colonialist, ludicrous and archaic': Sean Penn blasts UK for refusing to hand over Falklands to Argentina
Left-wing U.S. actor said he is 'firmly' on the side of the South Americans
Explosive comments on day he met Argentine President Cristina Kirchner
Tensions between Argentina and UK running high after Prince William's deployment to disputed islands
Tory MP: 'He shows complete ignorance of the issue if he comes out with nonsensical statements like that'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Falkland-Islands-Argentina.html#ixzz1mNoBA1h0
Yes yes, Daily Mail, but it's the only source I have to hand at the moment but I'm sure a quick Google search will reveal many more.
Left-wing U.S. actor said he is 'firmly' on the side of the South Americans
Explosive comments on day he met Argentine President Cristina Kirchner
Tensions between Argentina and UK running high after Prince William's deployment to disputed islands
Tory MP: 'He shows complete ignorance of the issue if he comes out with nonsensical statements like that'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Falkland-Islands-Argentina.html#ixzz1mNoBA1h0
Yes yes, Daily Mail, but it's the only source I have to hand at the moment but I'm sure a quick Google search will reveal many more.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
"Who the hell cares about some piss-soaked little islands, I need a job"?
Although I guess Scotland tends to sit at the far end of the bell-curve on these issues.
Gen.Mannerheim
Grand Moff
Sean Penn is well known for making stupid socialist statements and supporting enemies of the U.S. like ole Hugo in Venezuela. Nobody even listens anymore to that crack pot actor, who's not really got at that either.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
It's funny that the reason Sean Penn's opinion on the matter is discounted not because he is neither a citizen of either country involved in the dispute, nor an expert on intentional relations, but because he disagrees with you on a number of unrelated issues. Are to infer from this that if a conservative celebrity- Bruce Willis, say- came out with some equally asinine commentary, you'd feel differently?
imperialman
Admiral
"Who the hell cares about some piss-soaked little islands, I need a job"?
Although I guess Scotland tends to sit at the far end of the bell-curve on these issues.
The furore over a government minister being seen to abandon the islands after the 1983 conflict would be tremendous. Maybe in a few generations the public will care less but I hope not.
Gen.Mannerheim
Grand Moff
Ummm no. It doesn't have anything to do with his political opinions per se, but his history of putting his foot in his mouth similar to Michel Moore or Bill O'riley, (an example of both sides of the political spectrum for ya)
imperialman
Admiral
Moore, the man who once claimed that if Britain felt a true claim to Northern Ireland it would simply include it in the term Great Britain rather than at the end of the name of the UK. I think he misunderstood the name 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I guess this is a regional thing. I can't see it changing anyone's mind here- or, at least, not beyond the extent to which it would re-enforce an already existing trend towards the SNP. (And at this point it seems that no government minister can so much as draw breath without dropping another vote into Salmond's hands.)
Well, sure, now you say that.
Silurian
Deity
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The islanders are unlikely to accept becoming Argentinean for a long time.
Falklands Info
http://www.falklands.info/history/hist82article19.html
Quackers
The Frog
Sean Penn is just wrong. It's surprising really because there is literally like...no logical, reasonable argument for Argentinian control over the islands (as we have seen in this very thread!). It is probably one of the most clear cut cases of right and wrong in international relations today. Yet he still comes up with silly stuff like that, so i suggest he is either a) stupid, b) utterly ignorant of the actual situation c) anti-British (is Penn an Irish surname) how many generations removed from immigrants is he?! 
I wonder what Chomsky has to say about this issue..
how many generations removed from immigrants is he?! I wonder what Chomsky has to say about this issue..
Excellent reading, thanks for the link. I mean no disrespect to them by this at all, but I couldn't but help think of C.W. McCall's "Convoy" when reading of Trudi's caravan of ammunition! Rubber Duck, even!
