Ideologies are good for 3/4 Victory Types

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so, we know now that Ideologies are good for 3/4 Victory Types

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMO79ylKga0

we know from the same video that Science is in Order and Freedom. We also know that there is an Autocratic tenet of "Gunboat Diplomacy" which allows you to intimidate CS into influence, so it would then follow that Autocracy has Domination (as always), Diplomacy and if it doesnt have Science, it must then have Cultural.

FREEDOM
Science

ORDER
Science

AUTOCRACY
Cultural
Domination (presumably, it is its go to type)
Diplomacy (maybe, based off the GD tenet?)


so, what do we think each Ideology gets? there is a bit of arithmetic involved.....
 
My guess would be:

Freedom:
Science
Culture
Diplomacy

Order:
Science
Diplpmacy
Domination

Autocracy:
Domination
Culture
Diplomacy
 
Order gets the Iron Curtain Tenant which gives it a free Courthouse in conquered cities so its good for Domination.

Freedom gets Volunteer Army which gives it 6 free Foreign Legions which are offensive units so I'd say that it too is good for Domination.
 
We know Freedom has culture from radio towers. It would make sense for them to lose out militarily. Order, then, will lack culture benefits or diplomatic (Order lacking culture makes the most sense to me).
 
Freedom:
Science
Domination
Culture

Order:
Science
Domination
Diplomacy

Autocracy:
Domination
Culture
Diplomacy
 
Tsar NicholasII said:
Order gets the Iron Curtain Tenant which gives it a free Courthouse in conquered cities so its good for Domination.

Freedom gets Volunteer Army which gives it 6 free Foreign Legions which are offensive units so I'd say that it too is good for Domination.
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I though that too but could Volunteer Army just be about defending your own territory with a revamped Foreign Legion? high Tourism attracting others to fight for you? otherwise all three will be good at Domination...

EDIT: actually your list looks really good so you're probably right....
 
Evie94 said:
I though that too but could Volunteer Army just be about defending your own territory with a revamped Foreign Legion? high Tourism attracting others to fight for you? otherwise all three will be good at Domination...

EDIT: actually your list looks really good so you're probably right....
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That's what I thought at first then I realized that Autocracy (even though the Nazis invented space rockets, jet planes, modern radio and television broadcast styles etc.) don't have a Science boost?

I based Freedom's Domination boost off of the Volunteer Army tenant and the historical fact that Britain, France and America (Democratic Republics) have managed to conquer and maintain their conquests longer than any of the other ideologies
 
I still think Freedom will be bad in Domination victory. I do believe they have changed how Foreign legions work. It could also be possible that Freedom gets some bonuses to domination victory, but not nearly as many as Autocracy and Order. There are something like 15 tenets in each ideology so one "domination tenet" in Freedom does not mean its good in Domination.
 
Considering the Foreign Legion has been renamed to Volunteer Army I'd say their abilities changed as well. They'll probably get defensive bonuses when fighting inside your territory, representing foreign volunteers that fought in many conflicts for an attacked country(Most obvious example being the many foreign volunteers that defended the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War).
Freedom's militaristic tenets will probably be related to defending you country rather then going on the offensive.
 
Inhalaattori said:
I still think Freedom will be bad in Domination victory. I do believe they have changed how Foreign legions work. It could also be possible that Freedom gets some bonuses to domination victory, but not nearly as many as Autocracy and Order. There are something like 15 tenets in each ideology so one "domination tenet" in Freedom does not mean its good in Domination.
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Perhaps but even if Freedom doesn't get as many direct military boosts it will still get plenty of tenants that enhance a Domination victory.
For example:

Better Happiness bonuses which is crucial if you want to keep your campaigns from grinding to a halt

Better Culture bonuses for city flipping, allowing you to get closer to their Capital cities.

Science boosts for those sweet sweet future era units.
 
Do you have a source for a potential change to the ability of the Foreign Legion? If they rework it so that it provides a bonus in friendly lands they'll have completely missed the point of the Foreign Legion. Edit: Didn't realize that Foreign Legion had been renamed to Volunteer Army (as a unit?).

While there's a good argument to be made with Freedom being good at Domination I really don't see that translating in-game. How odd would it be for Freedom to be the only ideology not good at the diplomatic game?
 
Art Grin said:
Considering the Foreign Legion has been renamed to Volunteer Army I'd say their abilities changed as well. They'll probably get defensive bonuses when fighting inside your territory, representing foreign volunteers that fought in many conflicts for an attacked country(Most obvious example being the many foreign volunteers that defended the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War).
Freedom's militaristic tenets will probably be related to defending you country rather then going on the offensive.
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I'm not convinced, Foreign Legions (even though not strictly French) will probably be primarily based on the French Foreign Legion, a unit which wasn't even based in France from its formation in the 1830's till the 1960's. Primarily an offensive unit.

But I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time this series has twisted history a little.
 
Yeah I think that although in real life "Freedom civs" have been militaristic, you cant deny that Autocratic and Order Civs have been even more. Think about Soviet Union, North-Korea or National Socialist Germany. They put most of their resources to Army. When you compare Soviet Union and United States, Soviets spends much bigger part of their resources to their Army.

Foreign Legion played big part in defending French interests in countries that were conquered earlier, for example in Algeria. In Civ terms these were French territory.
 
Art Grin said:
Considering the Foreign Legion has been renamed to Volunteer Army I'd say their abilities changed as well. They'll probably get defensive bonuses when fighting inside your territory, representing foreign volunteers that fought in many conflicts for an attacked country(Most obvious example being the many foreign volunteers that defended the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War).
Freedom's militaristic tenets will probably be related to defending you country rather then going on the offensive.
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The Tenet is called Volunteer Army. The unit is still called Foreign Legion. And this makes sense because the FL is made up of non-native volunteers wishing to earn citizenship.
 
The way I see it; it is likely that freedom will give boosts to tall empires, order to wide ones, and autocracy to heavily militarized ones. Or rather that the benefits are strongest for those empires. Now those bonuses can be on anything, but it makes sense to have them correlated with the goals of those empires.

As such, it makes sense that Autocracy doesnt help a science victory, because you would only chose it if you have a large military, in which case you're unlikely to be gunning for science anyway. Similarly Freedom shouldnt be good at domination; because tall empires aren't strong at it; and Order less good at cultural victories (this is more of a guess as we dont really know how to maximise tourism).
 
Veneke said:
Do you have a source for a potential change to the ability of the Foreign Legion? If they rework it so that it provides a bonus in friendly lands they'll have completely missed the point of the Foreign Legion. Edit: Didn't realize that Foreign Legion had been renamed to Volunteer Army (as a unit?).

While there's a good argument to be made with Freedom being good at Domination I really don't see that translating in-game. How odd would it be for Freedom to be the only ideology not good at the diplomatic game?
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Volunteer Army is the tenant name. Foreign Legion is still the unit name.
 
Lord Olleus said:
The way I see it; it is likely that freedom will give boosts to tall empires, order to wide ones, and autocracy to heavily militarized ones. Or rather that the benefits are strongest for those empires. Now those bonuses can be on anything, but it makes sense to have them correlated with the goals of those empires.

As such, it makes sense that Autocracy doesnt help a science victory, because you would only chose it if you have a large military, in which case you're unlikely to be gunning for science anyway. Similarly Freedom shouldnt be good at domination; because tall empires aren't strong at it; and Order less good at cultural victories (this is more of a guess as we dont really know how to maximise tourism).
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But if you're military focused wouldn't you want to ensure you had the most advanced weapons, i.e. Science?
 
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