Where to settle in this game.

alciefrederic

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If possible can you guys tell me where to settle in this game, in particular how to settle Vic lake and Grand Mesa here. It's Deity so highly unlikely I'll be able to get Petra (unless I do something crazy with the Liberty tree but is it worth it :lol:). I've marked the spot which looks good to me. Looking for opinions.
 

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i like the area to the south west where the gold tiles are. maybe not on the spots you specified but definitely in a spot by a mountain that can get 2 of the golds, ideally if you can settle on the gold with both mtn/coast beside it. it would be worth uncovering that fogged area for more possibilities. it also looks fairly defensible.

thats an unfortunate Lake Vic area. if i settled it. it would be on the coast to get whales (either where you say or one tile to the left for plains settling). those Petra-less desert tiles are only useful as stuff the AI cant pillage, haha, and maybe oil later on. Petra is highly unlikely so I wouldnt try for it unless you arent opposed to reloading/retrying for it. the spot to the north with furs also has horses if you need early trades or just want more of the UU. it has brief potential but it wont be a tall city unless youre running caravans to it or more resources are revealed. a poor coast can be salvaged with a lighthouse for pure food tiles but it takes a long time and techs for oil to be worth it and it probably wont be a good hammer producer.

im not interested in trying to settle Grand Mesa. Too close to Brazil and it doesnt provide the kind of resources I'd wnat unless I was going for the +4fpt Nat Wonder pantheon AND planning to attack Brazil.
 
I didn't like any of them. Probably would try for liberty policy and fullfil the entire penninsula, having borders with the city-states and developing mid-low tier cities.
 
I'd say it depends on what victory condition you're seeking. You could go OCC science, not ideal setting, but you might be able to use the UA to overcome that, since as soon as you go into Renaissance, you can time it a little so that you can open Rationalism AND grab secularism at the same time.

If it were me, since I never go for science victories, I'd probably build an army and go knock out the AI cities.

I agree that there are NO good spots. When I get such scenarios I either do as above, or start a new game. The one major flaw with Civ 5, IMO, is that the map scripts suck.
 
I don't know if it's just me taking it wrong but I don't understand why people take this map as garbage. Well it's not, it turns out to be fairly nice in fact, a 250 SV, ain't too shabby.

The thing is all 4 cities do not overlap or barely in case of 3 and 4, I have a substantial number of gold + gems + wine and quite a bit of horses, sheeps, cows in all cities, which mean I can produce a substantial amount of gold by just working these tiles (with ducal) + trade alone. Every single trade route was used for internal food trade and I did not have any problem money wise. And 4 mountains lol. These 4 cities fit so nicely together I think they are really really good placements. A lack of good tiles + food means freedom is an obvious choice, so I took it, and end up having every single specialists worked as you can see (merchants were worked pretty late of course, don't even say why you work merchants it's not good because I really get the vibe that everyone looks down on new members here guys it's not really nice). I decided that the Vic Lake was garbage and didn't even bother, but I really disagreed on people not taking the spot near grand mesa seriously, because it turned out to be my best production city after mid game. Granted people didn't see the fishes in the initial map but I didn't see it either but I still believed it was a good spot regardless because the two coastal cities could trade with each other.

I also had kind of good luck this game, an early maritime CS ally so I was able to grow a bit at the start. Poland Trad+Liberty together is really awesome lol no wonder why it's god tier. Also every civ was really friendly at the start b/c they all hate Genghis Khan for taking CSs so it's just a matter of denouncing him and all the DoFs flow in. In all honesty it wasn't necessary but it certainly helped. I wasn't particular sure about the 4th city placement because it was on a different coast, but it was such a nice defensible spot with mountain, coast, 2 luxuries + sheeps + 2 fishes and later 1 oil, I decided it was worth not having cargo ship but caravan to carry food there instead. Granted at first it was growing pretty slowly, but the 2 gems kinda paid for it, and it attracted caravans, so overally I couldn't be any happier. The only regret I had was letting Maria got to the spot above Lodz first, but it was pretty close to their cap there wasn't anything I would've been able to do about it, so in the end it all worked out nicely.

I'm not trying to brag or anything, but it kinda bothers me people don't take this map as seriously as they should, so I post these here to show you is all.

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It sounds like you know what you were doing, so this was probably more of a fun exercise rather than asking for help. Personally, I didn't think that it looked like it was a tough map, especially because you only had one neighbor, and he was a pacifist at that. I guess that people were turned off because each location had a trade-off to it.

I would have put the settler around where your unit was (slightly to the lower left of the oasis's) to try to lock down all of those oasis's and make a play for the strat resources while still keeping your empire intact. Then, I would eventually put the next settler on the coast to get a navy and cargo trade going. I'd be weary of putting the settler right next to Brazil, because I don't like losing touch with my cities and making unnecessary enemies early on, unless I plan on wiping them out before they become a problem (personally, if I'm going for domination, I leave the war mongering to the end when I don't have to deal with the diplo moaning for as long).
 
Along the lines of this thread, I'm wondering about this map. I'm in the process of trying to up my game, and I find city placement is one thing that I sit for a long time to try to figure out. To clarify, I mean beyond the first city...

I'm working on Tabarnak's three city guide right now.

Any thoughts on this map? I have desert folklore already.
 

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Along the lines of this thread, I'm wondering about this map. I'm in the process of trying to up my game, and I find city placement is one thing that I sit for a long time to try to figure out. To clarify, I mean beyond the first city...

I'm working on Tabarnak's three city guide right now.

Any thoughts on this map? I have desert folklore already.

Welcome to CFC!

That map looks like it screams settling on the Natural Wonders. Definitely settle those GBRs, and maybe one more to the west for Mt Sinai if you are planning a heavy faith game (or just dont want someone else to settle it) but i cant see if it has any good food around it. and settle coastal spots for cargo ship food if you commit to Tab's 3-city tall approach. You could even choose more than 3 cities after you get NC finished.
 
That Strategic View was too hard to tell, but here are some basic tips:

Settle on our near Rivers. Settle where you can Farm Grassland Tiles or Plains Tiles. Avoid settling in the Desert or on Tundra. Settle where you can gain a new Luxury Resource or two with each new City.
 
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