fe3333au
Deity
This morning before I had a coffee ... I switched on computer to see if an e-mail had arrived ...
*BANG* Kentharu
>desparately wanting a chat ... KISS have ambushed me want to talk
>OK ... shall we open a ...
*BANG* Invitation to multi-chat from KISS
And all this before coffee ...
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Here is the gist ... KISS seem to think that TNT have renamed another city Dancing Banana due to the capitol being razed ...
Here is the AIM log so far ...
Recap of the UN Renaming Thread
On the re-naming thread this is what happened
This I posted only to clarify ... we had no suspicions and just wanted clarification in order that F-11 could not be changed to confuse
*BANG* Kentharu
>desparately wanting a chat ... KISS have ambushed me want to talk
>OK ... shall we open a ...
*BANG* Invitation to multi-chat from KISS
And all this before coffee ...
>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the gist ... KISS seem to think that TNT have renamed another city Dancing Banana due to the capitol being razed ...
Here is the AIM log so far ...
You have just entered room "chat13701300204175451992."
Early Saturday and a bit of liquid refreshment session Morning 8.00am
KC Venters: coffee yet?
fe3333au: Bloody hell guys ... are you skulking in the bushes aouside my front door as well ? ;-)
fe3333au: Not yet waiting for whistle
Skippyshutt: hell yes
KC Venters: no just the neighbors bushes
Kentharu1 has entered the room.
Kentharu1: hi
bawhomp: Tasmania? Yeah we're lurkin' in your hood. lol
fe3333au: My neighbour has a akita japanese fighting dog called buzz be careful
bawhomp: i have two shih tzus so nah nah!
KC Venters: I took two of those today too ;-)
The Facts Mam
KC Venters: fe we know what's going on on the other continent
Skippyshutt: provo's f'n with the rules
bawhomp: We figured out what he did
fe3333au: OK tell me ...
bawhomp: they jumped the capital
KC Venters: ok Whomp take it away
fe3333au: Jumped capital?
bawhomp: yep ... They moved the capital and renamed after the old capital Dancin' Nana
Skippyshutt: brb
fe3333au: So Dancing Banana is now another city?
Logistics of Why
Kentharu1: meaning they would rather be hostile, since that would provide better defense and easier immortal movement
bawhomp: The reason they would do that is so they are away from the coast, easier for immortals to cover ground, maybe more prouduction and closer to Dnut,
Kentharu1: great minds think alike again ;-)
Spirit of the Rules
KC Venters: we just gave you the answers
bawhomp: hence all the discussion in the renaming thread. should we call him out on this?
fe3333au: So answer question ... TNT have renamed another city ... to Dancing Banana?
bawhomp: yep
fe3333au: Against the rules ... also against spirit of the game
bawhomp: correct ... why would the admins allow it?
Kentharu1: maybe they are waiting for us to say something
KC Venters: GA's message is almost begging for a question
bawhomp: ok then i will...re read the city renaming thread ... should i post there and fe posts there too?
Kentharu1: so will i
Action ... Lets get him
fe3333au: I think we collectively should PM or MSM or whatever the admins and hold the game ... this is outrageous ... if you are correct that is ... I am just waking so sorry for cottonwool head
Kentharu1: i won't post though
bawhomp: sorry fe.
fe3333au: Would D-Nuts know?
bawhomp: not that we know of... they still haven't talked to you>
KC Venters: Ginger_ale said that he wouldn't talk about it via PM, and to post a formal thread
My brain still isn't working ... Spell it out
fe3333au: OK could you and only you (Whomp) take me through the logic line please?
bawhomp: OK ... if we want the admins to penalize then yes
fe3333au: I still don't know what 'we' know?
bawhomp: ok sorry
fe3333au: 8.00am ... Saturday hangoverish
bawhomp: Here's the deal
>They popped a settler out of the capital and abadoned the capital.
>hence the loss of 7 tiles.
>however they renamed the capital to the old capital's name Dancing Nana
>remember the new capital would lose its cultural expansion when you jump the capital
What Action should we take
Skippyshutt: we know what they did and why. should we let them know we know?
GeneralW77 has entered the room.
bawhomp: General
bawhomp: Why would they do this?
fe3333au: I will repaste what you just posted Whomp
bawhomp: ok
GeneralW77: (Greetings! I'm just here mostly to lurk)
Skippyshutt: general whou are u?
fe3333au: Its about a suspicion that TNT have changed the name of a city to Banana Dancing because the capitol has taken
>WHOMP's Info repeated>
fe3333au: and then you entered
Reasoning for TNT action
bawhomp: why would they do this?
bawhomp: they would do this to get away from the coast closer to donut
Skippyshutt: to get closer to iron.
bawhomp: shorter distances for immortals to cover
bawhomp: maybe a more productive capital
bawhomp: iron
Skippyshutt: iron within the capital border, close to nuts, they see nuts as ripe for pickin
bawhomp: etc
bawhomp: etc
Strategy Good ... But Renaming Violation
fe3333au: I think the admins should privately confirm or deny this suspicion cos why open a thread with all our reasoning it just gives too much info to others about the analysis process we are both doing
bawhomp: trickery on the name change and Ginger Ale will not discuss by pm only UN rep
bawhomp: how about in the city naming thread?
Skippyshutt: two cities named the same is evil bad
Options
fe3333au: Keep it general ... Ask is there anyone who has renamed a city recently after contact has been made
Skippyshutt: "we know what u did" not addressed to anyone
bawhomp: hypothetically speaking....if we were to say something like...say a bunch of idiots were to decide to jump the palace...would it be ok to name it simpleton again?
Facts List
fe3333au: Keep it general
1. Admin will not talk about it on PM
2. Want it to go to UN
I don't agree ...
Admin SHOULD confirm or deny to us over PM that no rules or spirit of the rules have been broken
If we post anything on UN ... it gives too much info to others on our thinging process
Skippyshutt: admin wants us to take a stand one way or the other
From KISS
fe3333au: Can you send us GA responce and your initial question
Skippyshutt: I didn't see the PM
fe3333au: We have time cos I'm willing to hold up the game for this to be properly addressed
Skippyshutt: we're in no hurry. It was whomp or tubs
fe3333au: But then I'm actually eager to debate it with Provo on UN as well ...
Agreement on Process
fe3333au: But are we agreed that this goes against the spirit of the game?
What and How to Respond
Skippyshutt: in the renaming thread: we know what u did, even though we don't know you. enjoy the iron.
fe3333au: I'm looking at it more as an out of game issue ... Spirit of fairplay
Kentharu1: you must becareful with provo in the UN thread if you intend to do this
Skippyshutt: IMHO, that's been the whole point of the renaming thread. agree ken. that's why we're here
fe3333au: What I propose is that you guys PM me the initial PM to GA and the also his reponse ...
Skippyshutt: whomp ? tubs? I don't have it, they're probably feeding
fe3333au: Agree Skippy .. so wording should not be referrenced to game topic ie Iron
Skippyshutt: k fe, let's make it general. @ general - give a wink every now and then so we know the leader is here
Option
fe3333au: What if we post (on the UN renaming thread) something like this ...
Regarding the renaming of cities issue ... we are all agreed that re-naming cities in order to misrepresent facts is against the spirit of the game and also the rules ...
Skippyshutt: yes ... but they don't know what we think we know
So then are we agreed that renaming another city the same name as a razed city or swapping is a violation of the rules? ... Administrator please confirm
Skippyshutt: yes, violation of the spirit of game
fe3333au: The 3 lines combined and reworded a litter better should be the next posting on the renaming thread and I am happy to do it as it follows the theme of my previous comment ... on that thread
fe3333au: So in the spirit of our own chat ... can I have agreement of all present?
Skippyshutt: agree in spirit. give me verbatim what u r going to post
GeneralW77: I like it. I trust you to re-word, bit it will still be nice to see it.
fe3333au: At this stage I'm just after an indicator from EVERYONE here if this is the way we should procedd ... next step and this will probably invole a bit of to and fro and input from both teams
Skippyshutt: k we're on the boat
fe3333au: in order to get wording correct ... and we hold the save until the issue is dealt with
Skippyshutt: yo whomp and tubs, need some input
fe3333au: so we have time
Skippyshutt: yes
Back to MIA ... Home Sweet Home
fe3333au: I will open a new discussion thread on our site and start debate ...
Skippyshutt: lets adjourn until later
fe3333au: OK but I need your correspondence with GA
Skippyshutt has left the room.
Recap of the UN Renaming Thread
On the re-naming thread this is what happened
fe3333au said:I also assume that swapping city names with another is also prohibited
This I posted only to clarify ... we had no suspicions and just wanted clarification in order that F-11 could not be changed to confuse
Ginger_Ale said:If someone is trying to challenge anothers' actions, please post a thread about it.
Swapping city names with no benefit for the team other than confusion from other teams is not allowed.