AIs at higher difficulties shouldn't have some advantages.

The Pilgrim · Jun 22, 2014

teqofc said:
How about we substitute "ridiculous" with "unnecessary"?

I bet, had you used this word instead of what you used, this discussion wouldn't have derailed to begin with. You got some strong responses there.

I think you explained yourself pretty well, though, and so did Ryika. You both are right. I agree with you, that most of the time posters like OP just don't know how to overcome the obstacles thus get frustrated. Some might even believe this is not possible without cheats and so on. Been there, done that, seen that many times. Yet, he's right that not everybody are supposed to want to overcome them and if the above mods exist, someone finds them useful - which is also fine. Just let it go, guys.

I mean... OP is not even here.

teqofc · Jun 22, 2014

The Pilgrim said:
I bet, had you used this word instead of what you used, this discussion wouldn't have derailed to begin with. You got some strong responses there. I think you explained yourself pretty well, though, and so did Ryika. You both are right. I agree with you, that most of the time posters like OP just don't know how to overcome the obstacles thus get frustrated. Some might even believe this is not possible without cheats and so on. Been there, done that, seen that many times. Yet, he's right that not everybody are supposed to want to overcome them and if the above mods exist, someone finds them useful - which is also fine. Just let it go, guys. I mean... OP is not even here.

Ok, good point. I'm willing to negotiate peace with my neighbors

The Pilgrim · Jun 22, 2014

teqofc said:
Ok, good point. I'm willing to negotiate peace with my neighbors

Are you really? Are you willing to pay 35g for an embassy?

Ryika · Jun 22, 2014

Well, I accept peace under a single condition: Let's declare war on The Pilgrim, he's way too neutral.
It's like the mastermind Zapp Brannigan said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE

The Pilgrim · Jun 22, 2014

Ryika said:
Well, I accept peace under a single condition: Let's declare war on The Pilgrim, he's way too neutral.
It's like the mastermind Zapp Brannigan said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE

Our mutual friend Gustavus Adolphus would say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npkhyeotzog

Chum · Jun 22, 2014

teqofc said:
All I offered was a way to overcome the odds. I gave suggestions and mentioned some guides. That's it.

No you didn't. Read it again. Here, I'll even put it right here.

That's ridiculous. You don't need mods to overcome the AI advantages on diety. If you aren't pulling ahead of the civs in science by turn 150 and surely by 180-200 you are either doing something wrong or rolled a horrible map.

The AI is dumb enough. It needs a head start on diety to make things a little interesting.

That was your response. That's not a way to overcome anything. That's not a suggestion, and that's not a guide.

layelaye · Jun 22, 2014

I hate how the diety game is just catch-up. so i play on immortal, but with a mod that increases the AI's science based on the era - by the industrial it has 200% science (the % can be changed to your liking).

it makes the game more even at the beggining, and at the end you dont actually have 10 techs lead on the AI. makes for more interesting games.

its called buffed AI mod.

Marshall Thomas · Jun 22, 2014

layelaye said:
I hate how the diety game is just catch-up. so i play on immortal, but with a mod that increases the AI's science based on the era - by the industrial it has 200% science (the % can be changed to your liking).

it makes the game more even at the beggining, and at the end you dont actually have 10 techs lead on the AI. makes for more interesting games.

its called buffed AI mod.

I consider that an essential mod. I wouldn't play without it.

teqofc · Jun 22, 2014

Chum said:
No you didn't. Read it again. Here, I'll even put it right here.

That was your response. That's not a way to overcome anything. That's not a suggestion, and that's not a guide.

Well I see we are back to WAR DECLARED!

Good job leaving out my other responses like the one where I mentioned Tabarnak's tradition guide, about growing tall early and about trying Babylon if you really want to power your way through the ancient techs.

The Pilgrim, I need you back. I need my Civ Negotiator!

Browd · Jun 23, 2014

Moderator Action: This stops now. Everyone should drop this pointless disagreement.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

Ninakoru · Jun 23, 2014

This is about opinions. I'm with the TC.

To me is not about how easier/harder is the game without free techs/units, is how the game changes as you go up in difficulty.

The game changes to a science catch-up game. There's little margin to do nothing that's not focusing growth/science. There's not enough time to get your ancient/classical units to shine.

I did my own mods to cover it up. Problem solved.

darkpigraph · Jun 23, 2014

I can sympathise with the OP, I play for fun only but I hate that the AI gets a free scout on emperor since I consider my own emphasis on scouting to be a strategic commitment that the Ai gets to make for free. So I end up playing on king where I just get way too far ahead too easily. This mod that gets mentioned above sounds exactly like something I've wished for where the Ai boosts aren't that front loaded but scale by era.

The Pilgrim · Jun 23, 2014

teqofc said:
The Pilgrim, I need you back. I need my Civ Negotiator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npkhyeotzog

Ninakoru · Jun 24, 2014

darkpigraph said:
This mod that gets mentioned above sounds exactly like something I've wished for where the Ai boosts aren't that front loaded but scale by era.

Actually the AI has minor boosts on bonuses with a per-era basis, toping at 5% reduction per era on Deity.

Gamewizard · Jun 26, 2014

Off topic, but are you still working on your mods Ninakoru?

Vitruvius · Jun 26, 2014

teqofc said:
That's ridiculous. You don't need mods to overcome the AI advantages on diety. If you aren't pulling ahead of the civs in science by turn 150 and surely by 180-200 you are either doing something wrong or rolled a horrible map.

The AI is dumb enough. It needs a head start on diety to make things a little interesting.

If you are pulling ahead consistently by turn 150 then you are playing the game too repetitively. There are many ways to play the game and deity shouldn't just be a tradition-rationalism science catch up game.

teqofc · Jun 27, 2014

Vitruvius said:
If you are pulling ahead consistently by turn 150 then you are playing the game too repetitively. There are many ways to play the game and deity shouldn't just be a tradition-rationalism science catch up game.

I hate to admit it but you are right. I've been playing way too many tradition SV and CV games lately. Now that I've had a chance to reread all my posts I do realize how much of a jerk I sounded like in this thread.

My apologies to all.

fallout3dc · Jul 8, 2014

Wow...Can't believe I just read all of that s---. :cringe:

AIs at higher difficulties shouldn't have some advantages.

The Pilgrim

Deity

teqofc

Warlord

The Pilgrim

Deity

Ryika

Lazy Wannabe Artista

The Pilgrim

Deity

Chum

King

layelaye

Warlord

Marshall Thomas

King

teqofc

Warlord

Browd

Dilettante

Ninakoru

A deity on Emperor

darkpigraph

Chieftain

The Pilgrim

Deity

Ninakoru

A deity on Emperor

Gamewizard

Emperor

Vitruvius

King

teqofc

Warlord

fallout3dc

Warlord

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