Man Made Global Warming is a Media Made Myth
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Can you elaborate on what the top graph represents?Just because they are scientists doesn't make them right.
There are many ways to interpret data. Some people can choose to dismiss the evidence and say this is all magnetic realignment. We should not just blindly believe them.
Spoiler :
Book I'm reading mentions something about the Earth's climatic variability -- as theorised by Serbian civil engineer Milutin Milankovich -- caused by three principle cycles that have to do with the Earth's varying elliptical orbit round the sun, its wobbling tilt axis, and something about continental drifts.
Respectively, these three cycles occur (reset?) every 100K, 42K and 22K years and it seems to fit perfectly with what the graph is depicting (the 100K cycle especially).
Narz
keeping it real
Kerozine said:
The graph shows carbon dioxide concentration and temperature anomalies.
True, there are natural cycles, but at no time did the CO2 concentration rose so high as the present, even during the warmest period.
taillesskangaru said:
What's your scale because I call bull on the assertion that C02 levels are the highest ever.
@ JollyRoger
I know was the key bit. I'm aware that right wing conspiracy theorists exist I've just never really met one. The majority of 9/11 truthers I've met are Communists, Anti-Americans or Socialists. There is something in the Australian dynamic that makes our left wing atm the equivalent of your right wing atm with regards to weird theories and beliefs - at least among our intellectuals. I'm not saying that the right here doesn't have its own ones floating around but that they are not in the public spotlight at this stage.
Based on what?
Narz
keeping it real
He didn't say it was the highest ever, he said it rose the fastest.
Fastest ever? Well, 55 million years ago..
And what would be its significance?Misread it. But in any case over a sufficiently long scale I'm sure we could find larger historic examples considering earths age
Narz
keeping it real
Where we ponder over Earth's vast history of ups & downs in various catagories we also must consider that, at now time in history did the Earth support nearly 7 billion people, many already on marginal land (much of the Middle East for example used to be lush forest).
A rapid swing in climate over a few decades (say 5 C) didn't matter much 600 million years ago but such a swift now would cost hundreds of millions of lives & displace billions.
It's clear we can alter climate on a small scale, topography on a large one, biodiversity, fish stocks, soil, just about every other natural phenomenon, why is such a stretch for some to accept we can & are altering climate?
Even GW denialists accept global dimming, AFAIK. Good BBC doc on that*. YouTube version, smaller 10 min. chunks
*If the grounding of American aircraft alone for TWO DAYS can cause a temperature change of 1 degree Celsius do you really not think billions of cars and hundreds of thousands of planes & factories churning constantly is not making a difference.
A rapid swing in climate over a few decades (say 5 C) didn't matter much 600 million years ago but such a swift now would cost hundreds of millions of lives & displace billions.
It's clear we can alter climate on a small scale, topography on a large one, biodiversity, fish stocks, soil, just about every other natural phenomenon, why is such a stretch for some to accept we can & are altering climate?
Even GW denialists accept global dimming, AFAIK. Good BBC doc on that*. YouTube version, smaller 10 min. chunks
*If the grounding of American aircraft alone for TWO DAYS can cause a temperature change of 1 degree Celsius do you really not think billions of cars and hundreds of thousands of planes & factories churning constantly is not making a difference.
What truth? Lying about what?
I don't know about 'condescendingly lying to the populace'; what are you referring to?
plarq
Crazy forever
It is a genuine proof that our world is dominated by right-wing capitalist pigs and their media. All our peace-loving rich-hating red pinko commie sushies are marginalized, so you can't see them on mainstream media.
Kerozine said:
This:
Masada said:
taillesskangaru said:
Kerozine said:
I hope that explains it. I'm a stickler for details, if something is not the fastest, why describe it as such, second fastest after a meteor strike is still impressive, actually more impressive if you think about it.
plarq said:
To true. Evil capitalist pigs.
Oerdin
Deity
70% of Americans agree that global warming is real, it is a threat, and it is man made. Basically the deniers are down to the old Bush 30% who stuck with Bush right up until the end believing he was a great President. The other 70% saw reality and wanted him out.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/environment/energy_update
Linked Article said:
Bit lower than your 70%, Oerdin. In fact:
So apparently even the Dems are on-the-fence.
Oerdin
Deity
Rassmusen cannot be trusted as a source. They use push polling and their methodology is wrong. Even Nate Silver over at 538 says so since they were consistently off 8-10 points on everything during the last election cycle plus the "error" was always in the Republican's favor. That's what I call a biased group.
Here's a link to the most recent polls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_qugH7bbo
Here's a link to the most recent polls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_qugH7bbo
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Crikey - had to check the profile to see if Pontiuth Pilate has come back
Even if they're 20% out, then that still doesn't stack-up as being a republican-only thing on these numbers.
BTW: I can't get to youtube, and even if I could, how is 'youtube' any more credible than a professional polling company?
The point is somewhat moot however; science is not settled by public opinion.
