Race for Religion!

Race for Religion (Brave New World)


Race for Religion is more than just additional beliefs. Experience a new dynamic around religion while still being compatible with other mods, even those that add new religions. Don't get left behind in the Race for Religion!

• Every pantheon belief provides a way to generate faith. Pick one that fits your circumstances and strategy. Using it well will ensure your success in the Race for Religion!
• Once you have a religion your founder belief will spread it to the corners of your empire and beyond! Proselytize and profit at the same time.
• A cornucopia of followers beliefs guarantees that no two games of Race for Religion will unfold the same. No matter your unique style or strategy there is a follower belief that will benefit you! Try to find all the subtle synergies you can!
• Enhancer beliefs will allow your foreign worshipers to contribute to your cause. Become an international religion and nothing will be able to stop you!
• Reformation beliefs provide alternative ways to spend faith. They enable faith to be used to acquire buildings, military units or even Great People.

Key Mechanical differences:

• Dozens of new beliefs.
• The cost to found a Pantheon does not increase as other players found Pantheons. Founding a Pantheon always costs 10 faith.
• When a religion is enhanced the distance at which it generates pressure is reduced from 10 to 6.

The Steam Workshop entry has screenshots of the beliefs which can also be seen above. If you like the mod and want me to prioritize development of it rate it and favorite it on Steam and post here.

Download Locations:

• The Steam Workshop entry.
• From CivFanatics.

FAQ:
Q: Why did a belief that gives a lump sum of X gold/culture/science/etc (such as Initiation Rites) give me Y gold/culture/science/etc?
A: Lump sums of gold/culture/science are often scaled based on game speed. If you are playing on a non-default game speed the description will not be accurate.

Q: Why did nothing change after I started a game with this mod?
A: Are you running Civilization 5 in a language other than English? English is the only language currently supported in Race for Religion.

Q: Is this mod compatible with mod X?
A: This is not an easy question to answer but here is a good rule of thumb. If mod X changes beliefs it will not be compatible. But if mod X doesn't than it is almost certainly compatible. Mods that add new religions without changing beliefs will be compatible.

Q: I like most of this mod but hate X! Can I turn off X?
A: It may be possible, see the "how to use options" section below. If there is something else you want to be an option let me know by posting in the CivFanatics thread or by leaving a comment below and I'll see if it can be included in future versions.

How to use options:
In your "Sid Meier's Civilization 5/MODS/Race for Religion(v X)/Options" directory there are two directories. You can turn off an option by changing the name of the directory from "Enhancer spread penalty" to "_Enhancer spread penalty".

• Turning off "Enhancer spread penalty" makes it so enhancing a religion doesn't reduce the distance it generates pressure.
• Turning off "Pantheon costs" makes it so the faith cost to found a Pantheon increase as normal.

Known Issues:

• If Byzantine takes a second founder belief as their bonus belief, their religion will spread at 14 distance instead of 10 until they enhance
• If Byzantine takes an enhancer belief as their bonus belief, their religion will spread at 6 distance
• Underground Sect's pressure from spies won't show in the city banner UI but it is being given (visual issue only)
• Reliquary only gives faith when a great person is consumed if you founded the religion.
• The gold provided by Tithes does not show up in the gold-per-turn UI. (visual issue only)
• The faith provided by Pilgrimage is listed in the UI as coming from a "founder belief" instead of "enhancer belief". (visual issue only)

Change log:

The religious converts and religious migrations beliefs seem incredibly OP.

one thing about Desert Folklore, the reason why there is Desert Folklore is to make use of the useless Desert Tiles, oasis and Food Plains doesn't seems useless, maybe There would be no Faith from oasis and Food Plains, just only the plain Desert and Hills. Just sayin.

I hope mod author is alive and monitors his thread.
Monument of gods is too powerful. and ai always gunning for it - impossible to get on anything beyond king or any games with Celts or Ethiopia.

Katfish, is your concern that Monument to the Gods is too good or that the AI overvalues it, taking the belief more often than it "should".

Knightmare, is your concern that the nerf this mod makes to Desert Folklore is too much? The main differences in Desert Folklore is that it no longer gives faith for Cities on desert tiles, Resources on Desert tiles and Desert hills. This was done to make Desert Folklore less effective for Capitals in desert and require expanding to desert regions to take full advantage of.

Asderfut, one of my objectives with Religious Converts and Migrants was to craft effects that initially appear powerful (so people are excited to try them) yet in play are still balanced. Migrants tends to come online after players have done their pre and post-National College waves of expansion which means a player has to be following a strategy that involves continued expansion in the mid game to get any use from Religious Migrants.

What is the purpose of the PROMOTION_CREATED promotion? Which beliefs depend on this mechanism to work?

Also, with your mod enabled, in my in-game Civilopedia -> Buildings -> Ancient era, I have a ton of dummy entries for the possible religions. What's the deal with that?

edit: After looking through your code, I understand where all these "buildings" came from. A quick hack may be to give these "buildings" a faith cost so that at least they will be categorized under Religious (collapseable) instead of Ancient Era. Helps make the Civilopedia less cluttered, especially since I also use a mod that adds a ton of extra historical religions.

Machiavelli24 said:

Katfish, is your concern that Monument to the Gods is too good or that the AI overvalues it, taking the belief more often than it "should"

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Both. And not just "more often than it should": i tried 10 different map and civ setups and it was always first belief taken by ai, only once Celts picked God of War (which i think is a little overpowered too, but earlier wars are very situational so its ok) At least make it only for classical\medieval wonders, not for everything.

rzhang, the PROMOTION_CREATED and dummy entries for the religions are used internally and have no direct game play effect. End users can ignore them. Preventing them from cluttering up the Civilopedia is something I want to do eventually, but is low priority right now. My highest priorities are incorporating Reformation beliefs and completing regression testing on the fall patch.

katfish, what difficulty/game speed/map size do you usually play on? I want to be able to categorize your feedback with what I've collected from play testers and other players.

Currently, Stone Circles reads "... +1 Faith from every Stone ..." but the code gives +1 Faith for Quarry, not Stone.

Also, may I suggest splitting up Reliquary into two beliefs: 1) a Pantheon or Follower belief with +X faith per Great Person tile improvement, and 2) a Reformation belief with +X faith per Great Person consumed. There is no point making #2 part of a follower belief if it only works for the founder.

I think the Reformation beliefs are a good place to those miscellaneous effects like #2.

The tooltip for Stone Circles use to say "+1 Faith for every Quarry, Marble and Stonework" but was changed to its current form (even though its current form is less precise) because multiple users said they didn't find the phrasing intuitive.

Reliquary may be changed in future versions to provide the faith when the Great Person is born rather than when they are consumed to get around the known issue.

Machiavelli24 said:

katfish, what difficulty/game speed/map size do you usually play on? I want to be able to categorize your feedback with what I've collected from play testers and other players.

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Emperor>king>Immortal>prince>deity
Large>standard
Epic>normal

Only on deity i would not want to pick Monument, but ai who gets it becomes runaway, at least in one game i played with it.

Machiavelli24 said:

The tooltip for Stone Circles use to say "+1 Faith for every Quarry, Marble and Stonework" but was changed to its current form (even though its current form is less precise) because multiple users said they didn't find the phrasing intuitive.

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I see. The wording still needs tweaking because I had expected to get faith from unimproved Stone at my start location. Perhaps "+1 Faith from Quarries and Stoneworks. +1 additional Faith from tiles with Marble?"

Hi, I'm using this mod with the Communitas expansion pack and there's some changes: 1- the pantheon belif is reachanle at 20 and 2- satellite cities lost pressure almost at 0 but this dosent happen to the rest of the religion, they have plenty of presure

Alan H, the Pantheon being available at 20 Faith is most caused by another mod you had active that overwrote what Race for Religion set the Pantheon costs to.

Did the pressure drop happen when you enhanced your religion or were you playing a civilization that got an extra belief and you took an enhancer belief as the bonus?

It sounds like other mods you are using are also editing the religion system. To avoid having the mods clobber each other you'll want to disable any changes other mods make to the religious system. I think Commutes has a folder called "beliefs" and if you change its name that should disable any alterations Commutes makes to religious beliefs, allowing for Race for Religion to work property.

Yes Machiavelli24, most likely is the CEP mod, I did the enhanced but also the neighbor religion and he has +40 pressure in my city's, I'm going to check if changing the file names works, thanks

Japan gets visual bugs after new patch right from the start.

katfish, what kind of visual bugs are you seeing? Are you using any other mods or only Race for Religion? I don't see any obviously incorrect behavior using the public version of Race for Religion post patch as Japan.

Settlers had a golden age and delete icons.
Deleting cache after update fixed all bugs, so nevermind.

No plans for lake based beliefs?

I've been playing with this mod a lot and I would like to offer some feedback.

First of all I have to say that I really like the vast majority of these new beliefs. The majority of them are both usefull and very flavourfull.

I however feel that perhaps the faith from bulding type of pantheons could use +2 faith instead of +1. Right now it seems that getting a terrain-based pantheon with a religious civilization is the best way to establish a religion. It takes a long time to build things like Libraries or Colosseums in the early game. I have managed to establish religions after taking these pantheons but it required an intensive and extensive Piety strategy. In other words spamming cities and Shrines. Libraries, Colosseums etc only played a very minor part in this all.

Monument to the Gods might be too good now. The AI always beelines for it and proceeds to spam wonders like crazy. If I get it I proceed to spam wonders like crazy. 15% to building wonders is good enough in itself but I guess it would go against your design philosophy of giving every Pantheon belief a way to generate Faith.

Usury Ban and Work Ethic aren't very good now. They require buildings that need special resources on city radius and give quite minor benefits. I would change the Mint to Bank and Forge to Workshop.

Some of the beliefs work too good on maps with large amounts of players. Religious converts, Religious migration and Papal primacy get way too good on maps with a lot of cities. Religious migration is probably the least problematic of these since unless you're playing Terra type of maps you won't be building all that many new cities after you've manged to establish your religion. Religious converts however is excelent at making bloated gigantic capitals if you play on larger maps and put effort into spreading your religion.

Papal primacy gets pretty hilarious on maps with a lot of city-states. It's not very hard to create a situation where you get more influence from SPs than it takes time for the influence to decay. Since the AI is really bad at fighting for CS influence it's easy to get perma-allies with this. I guess these have been balanced with Standard on mind and perhaps could use some restricting modifiers at least on larger maps.