Spearmen/Pikemen problem.

Spearmen/Pikemen do not get bonuses to Mounted Ranged Units, they only seem to get the bonuses for melee mounted units. I.E Horsemen, Knights, Cavalry.

A Spearmen vs Chariot Archer for an example you won't get the 50% Mounted attack bonus when you attack with a Spearmen into the Chariot Archer, this applies for units like Horse Archers, War Chariots, Camal Archers, War Elephant, Keshiks. So Spearmen and Pikemen are useless against Mounted Ranged units, which they should not be.

Priority fixed needed. Been ignored for the last... two years now Fraxis?

This is not a "bug" per se. Mounted ranged units are definitionally ranged units. To change this, Firaxis would have to create a new unit class with mixed characteristics, which they certainly could do, but obviously have chosen not to do so.

Moderator Action: Moved to Ideas & Suggestions.

This is not true for Chariot Archers. I have never observed any of the other modifier absences you describe, either.

Yet another reason ranged is OP if true, though.

Browd said:

This is not a "bug" per se. Mounted ranged units are definitionally ranged units. To change this, Firaxis would have to create a new unit class with mixed characteristics, which they certainly could do, but obviously have chosen not to do so.

Moderator Action: Moved to Ideas & Suggestions.

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Not true it is a bug/oversight.

Civpedia reads as follows for Camel Archer:

"The Camel Archer is the Arabian unique unit, replacing the Knight. The Camel Archer is a powerful ranged attack unit, allowing it to do damage to enemies 2 hexes away. It can move after combat. The Camel Archer is less powerful than the Knight is melee combat. As a mounted unit, the Camel Archer is vulnerable to Pikemen attack.

Now why would they add that last line in if the Pikemen gets NO bonus to this unit?

Oh, and it says the exact same thing in these units: War Chariot, Horse Archer, Chariot Archer, War Elephant. But yet these units do not get the Spearmen/Pikemen bonus against these units when attacking. And since the Civpedia references that these units are vunerable to attack from Spearmen/Pikemen, it's obvious that its a straight-out lie or that its an over-sight by the developers.

Please move the thread back, it's not a suggestion. It's an obvious over-sight that the devs haven't been able to see or that they have simply been too lazy to implement, at least they could remove that text that involves Spear/Pikemen.

The Civilopedia text is wrong here. Civilopedia is wrong on many fronts.

Camel Archers (and the other mounted ranged units) are <CombatClass>UNITCOMBAT_ARCHER</CombatClass>, while a regular Knight is <CombatClass>UNITCOMBAT_MOUNTED</CombatClass>. Users have noted this for ages, and Firaxis has consistently left it unchanged.

At this point, it isn't a bug to be fixed (in Firaxis' eyes), but it is a quite valid change to be requested.

Alright, still strange how Spearmen/Pikemen don't get the bonus but whatever.

Makes sense in real life. Pikemen in real like countered cavalry because they charged into the spears. Mounted archers kited soldiers. Doesn't really make sense that a guy with a spear would be any stronger than a guy with a sword or an axe.

Volcanon said:

Makes sense in real life. Pikemen in real like countered cavalry because they charged into the spears. Mounted archers kited soldiers. Doesn't really make sense that a guy with a spear would be any stronger than a guy with a sword or an axe.

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If you want to get into it that way, then it's a matter of who's attacking and who's defending. But then you have to figure out what 'attacking' and 'defending' mean in a game that's meant to abstract to the strategic layer.
Sure, I think Civ could use a dose of tactical orders - some simple combat stances like "fighting retreat" or "hold to the death" or others, and getting back into unit stacks but with some ZoC rules and the flanking modifiers would be the ideal fusion of every system we've seen so far. But it's in my opinion.

You're kind of right in that sense. But I would assume you should get the bonus because the Spearmen/Pikemen are initiating the attack.

Volcanon said:

Makes sense in real life. Pikemen in real like countered cavalry because they charged into the spears. Mounted archers kited soldiers. Doesn't really make sense that a guy with a spear would be any stronger than a guy with a sword or an axe.

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Thats why guys with spears formed formations which would be far more impressive then a formation of swords and axes.



Anyways this does feel like a bug.

To be fair, it's really more like "its a bug with the Civilopedia descriptions" as opposed to a "bug with the gameplay".

i'd be surprised if spears had a bonus vs keshiks or camel archers
and civilopedia.. are there people who read it, really?