Jaguar Warrior: Would this be balanced?

player1 fanatic · Mar 22, 2004

Same as now 1.1.2, cost 15
But with +1HP

What do you think?
Too much?

dze27 · Mar 22, 2004

I don't think that's too much. If anything, not enough for being 50% more expensive. I'd rather have 3 regular veteran 4-HP Jaggies than 2 modded veteran 5-HP ones.

Dogmeat · Mar 22, 2004

50% more expensive but 25% stronger. Sounds good and it is realistic too since the Jags could hold their own against overwhelming opposition.

Gogf · Mar 22, 2004

Well, it already costs 15 shields, and that isn't going away, so for those of you who think that 1.1.2 for 15 sheilds is to weak, then this is good.

Louis XXIV · Mar 22, 2004

How about Blitz?

player1 fanatic · Mar 23, 2004

Blitz won't make much a difference for a unit with attack of 1.

Theoden · Mar 23, 2004

I could surely make them fairer but i can't see how it's realistic. Why should jags be tougher than normal warriors?

player1 fanatic · Mar 23, 2004

From civilopedia:

The most feared predator of their Mexican empire, the Aztecs embraced the wild jaguar as a totem for their warrior
elite. These soldiers were ferocious fighters, often emerging victorious even when badly outnumbered.

Theoden · Mar 23, 2004

I see what you mean. I'm not an expert in aztec history. But if that is true why isn't it their attack that is increased making them 2.1.1 cost 15. That would be a cool attacker

Halcyon · Mar 23, 2004

Or a cheap archer.

superpelon · Mar 23, 2004

Jaguar Warriors should have the enslave ability, since most Mexica (Aztec to you non-mexicans) Wars focused on capturing enemy soldiers for sacrifice to Huchilopoztili. Also an an additional hp would reflect the fierceness of the elite Jaguar Warrios.

danwhit · Mar 24, 2004

Anyone know what the effect of this extra hit point would be percentage-wise against spearmen. This might actually make jags more useful past the first 25 turns. Anything would help. You can throw 10 jags up against 2 fortified spearmen and lose(annoying).

Psyon Ra · Mar 24, 2004

i agree with the enslave, it should be there.

btw, them jags were fierce but were rarely outnumbered in battles...and when outnumbered, it was fear that helped them overcome odds, fear of the tales of the rare survivers of battles with them..[if that made any sence

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Sukenis · Mar 24, 2004

To me (on my monarch skill level) Jags were balance at 1.1.3 costing 10. Now they are not that great. Then again, I am not as skilled as many on this list.

socralynnek · Mar 25, 2004

3 movement points is too much I think.
+1HP is much better.
Example:
Warrior vs. spearmen
normal Warrior Jag now Jag +1HP
18% 17% 27% Win
82% 52% 51% Loss
0% 31% 22% Retreat

So the +1HP makes the Jag really stronger compared to the normal warrior but not too strong (remember the exploration bonus)

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