JFD's Rise to Power

I didn't really want to reference "Republican" in the names of Liberal parties - seeing as these are for Monarchies only. Libertarian parties should be Republican parties instead - they'll be the ones that might force you to become a republic. May as well make the Libertarians the Republican party though.

Well, filled in what I can, I don't understand Thai politics sadly. The Khana Ratsadon, I made facist because of Phibun, but otherwise I'm unsure how everything should be filled out.

The Thai National Assembly is called the Ratthasapha, BTW.

JFD said:

There, I think this is better:

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When I look a this, I can immediately tell which icon means what ...apart from Purple/Green. This is probably because I don't know/forgotten what Populists and Civics represent anyway, but in my head populist=population=green, civics=culture=socialpolicies=purple.

sukritact said:

Well, filled in what I can, I don't understand Thai politics sadly. The Khana Ratsadon, I made facist because of Phibun, but otherwise I'm unsure how everything should be filled out.

The Thai National Assembly is called the Ratthasapha, BTW.

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Thanks

hokath said:

When I look a this, I can immediately tell which icon means what ...apart from Purple/Green. This is probably because I don't know/forgotten what Populists and Civics represent anyway, but in my head populist=population=green, civics=culture=socialpolicies=purple.

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Well, civics are green as they deal with the people at large, whilst populist is purpole as they're the culture faction (and culture in-game is purple-ish). Dunno. Could change it.

As a general note, when adding parties, please avoid ones that refer to a specific religion in their name (like Christian Democrat parties) - the reason should be obvious

Link again for those (like Hypereon) that may have missed if because of last-page syndrome.

Should I put my suggestions for Norwegian parties in the doc or here?

Post them here. I'll put them with my civ-update notes.

Ah ok. Like Superwaffle said at some point, this is going to need some Civilopedia entries because I'm really not clued up on the finer points of political reductionism

Will there be support for other Civs, like you do with your other wonderful mods?
(What I mean is, will there be a field i can edit/create to add support for this mod.)

There are some things in the mod that i don't like.
Can I change them by myself?

I want to
- toggle on pantheon cost increase with every pantheon founded
- replace Grand Temple back to Theology

I had to take some liberties here; we dont really have any reactionary or truly conservative parties in Norway.

Political Parties
--Kirkeraadet/Church Council (Clergy)
--Riksraadet/National Council (Nobility)
--Right Party/Hoerye (Conservative Party)
--Left Party/Venstre (Liberal Party)
--Labour Party (Socialist Party)
--Progress Party (Libertarian Party)
--Red Party (Communist Party)

Can there be more than one party of each type in-game? Should I post alternatives? I will find proper leaders after getting an answer.

Also, how long does one PM hold his office in-game?

Would it be possible to add the ability to name senators/PMs? Minor thing obviously, but would be fun for flavour purposes.

Yeah. It would be fun.

hokath said:

Ah ok. Like Superwaffle said at some point, this is going to need some Civilopedia entries because I'm really not clued up on the finer points of political reductionism

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Yeah, don't worry, everything will be meticulously detailed in tooltips, and I'll be writing up a pedia before release.

Buildkirbyus said:

Will there be support for other Civs, like you do with your other wonderful mods?
(What I mean is, will there be a field i can edit/create to add support for this mod.)

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Yup. Once I'm comfortable in knowing the entire framework is complete, I'll start updating my civs with full Prestige support, which people can take a look at for how to adapt their own civs to it. On the nature of other mods, I'd have to look at them on a case by case basis. The goal is to focus on supporting the CBP once P&P is foundationally complete.

Fierro said:

There are some things in the mod that i don't like.
Can I change them by myself?

I want to
- toggle on pantheon cost increase with every pantheon founded
- replace Grand Temple back to Theology

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I'll add this option in the next version. Thanks for raising these concerns. You can move the Grand Temple back by disabling the Priesthood tech, I think, but this isn't necessarily what you want to do.

Zantonius Hamm said:

I had to take some liberties here; we dont really have any reactionary or truly conservative parties in Norway.

Political Parties
--Kirkeraadet/Church Council (Clergy)
--Riksraadet/National Council (Nobility)
--Right Party/Hoerye (Conservative Party)
--Left Party/Venstre (Liberal Party)
--Labour Party (Socialist Party)
--Progress Party (Libertarian Party)
--Red Party (Communist Party)

Can there be more than one party of each type in-game? Should I post alternatives? I will find proper leaders after getting an answer.

Also, how long does one PM hold his office in-game?

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Thanks. I'll note these for my Norway update.

No, I'd like to keep it at one party per type. Sure, some alternatives would bring more variety and flavour, but it starts to get overwhelming and cumbersome with all the research I would need to do - I do have 46 civs to support as well, remember

PM's hold office for 25 turns (on standard) atm. This is just the number I chose without testing, so it may change in the future.

DoctorMcGann said:

Would it be possible to add the ability to name senators/PMs? Minor thing obviously, but would be fun for flavour purposes.

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You can't name your own PMs (that's weird ), but they will pull from a list of civ or culture based names, and there's not much point to naming Senators, as you don't really interact with them individually. The Senatorial Factions can have unique names, but they're a bit harder to come up with. I don't really want to allow the player to name them like they can name their legislature, as that sort of breaks the immersion of being held accountable to others within your civilization.

Can that be an option(like the optional things in ExCE)?

I'm cool with that. Mainly just want PMs to have names, don't care about naming them.

Unless I go autocracy. I demand FULL control!

Of-bloody-course! We did have a Fascist party during WW2! NS/Nasjonal Samling! How could I forget them, what with their, um, rather famous leader...

PMs:

--Emil Stang, C. J. Hambro, John Lyng, Kaare Willoch, Jan P. Syse, Erna Solberg (Hoeyre/Right Party)
--Johan Sverdrup, Joergen Loevland, Peder Kolstad, Christian Michelsen, Trine Skei Grande, Per Borten, Lars Korvald, Kjell Magne Bondevik, Knut Aril Hareide (Venstre/Left Party)
--Johan Nygaardsvold, Einar Gerhardsen, Trygve Bratteli, Gro Harlem Brundtland, Odvar Nordli, Thorbjoern Jagland, Jens Stoltenberg, Jonas Gahr Stoere (Labour Party)
--Anders Lange, Eivind Eckbo, Arve Loennum, Erik Gjems-Onstad, Harald Sletteboe, Carl I. Hagen, Siv Jensen, Harald T. Nesvik (Progress Party)
--Bjoernar Moxnes (Red Party)
--Vidkun Quisling, Rolf Joergen Fuglesang, Frederik Prytz, Arve Froeisland, Johan Bernhard Hjort (Nasjonal Samling)

And, yes, that is the Quisling.

Not all are from the party they are assigned to, but whatever. The only crime would be to put anyone from the Socialist Left Party into the Progress Party.

Also, do the two first parties also have PMs? Probably a silly question.

I may add some more, the list is not 100% complete.

Zantonius Hamm said:

Of-bloody-course! We did have a Fascist party during WW2! NS/Nasjonal Samling! How could I forget them, what with their, um, rather famous leader...

PMs:

--Emil Stang, C. J. Hambro, John Lyng, Kaare Willoch, Jan P. Syse, Erna Solberg (Hoeyre/Right Party)
--Johan Sverdrup, Joergen Loevland, Peder Kolstad, Christian Michelsen, Trine Skei Grande, Per Borten, Lars Korvald, Kjell Magne Bondevik, Knut Aril Hareide (Venstre/Left Party)
--Johan Nygaardsvold, Einar Gerhardsen, Trygve Bratteli, Gro Harlem Brundtland, Odvar Nordli, Thorbjoern Jagland, Jens Stoltenberg, Jonas Gahr Stoere (Labour Party)
--Anders Lange, Eivind Eckbo, Arve Loennum, Erik Gjems-Onstad, Harald Sletteboe, Carl I. Hagen, Siv Jensen, Harald T. Nesvik (Progress Party)
--Bjoernar Moxnes (Red Party)
--Vidkun Quisling, Rolf Joergen Fuglesang, Frederik Prytz, Arve Froeisland, Johan Bernhard Hjort (Nasjonal Samling)

And, yes, that is the Quisling.

Not all are from the party they are assigned to, but whatever. The only crime would be to put anyone from the Socialist Left Party into the Progress Party.

Also, do the two first parties also have PMs? Probably a silly question.

I may add some more, the list is not 100% complete.

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Thanks! Added to the existing list.

Yes, the Clergy or Nobility may produce a PM. The PM is just a headline for your dominant party - they don't do anything per se and whilst the dominant party is the one that handles your political events, it's easy enough to see which is dominant without consulting your PM's TT. So the PM is mostly a flavour thing.

I'll have to let PM names be randomly assigned to parties. Too much work for me otherwise. So maybe Alex Salmond will be a reactionary

Thanks to everyone that contributed to the doc. If you have any more ideas for unique parties, or even for unique titles (Chiefdoms are in dire need of uniqueness), please continue to fill them in.

Seeing as the Legislatures and PM names are pretty much all filled out, I'll remove those columns.

Oh, wow, if the PMs are randomly assigned, I have to revise my list. It was made to give each party up to eight PMs, and I had to include some less important people to do so.

At the same time, this makes it easier, since I now can just steal the Norwegian PM list.

Governor might be an appropriate title for Colonial-group chiefdoms. It's artificial but it makes a little bit of sense. Otherwise that can be used for smaller monarch titles.

EDIT - Expanding on that, Pioneer could work for Chiefdom as well. Also I think Founder would be appropriate for a monarch - think Bioshock Infinite.

May I suggest the default "Dictator" term for Brazil instead of Caudilho? That's more of a Spanish thing and the only Brazilian state to have had those is Rio Grande do Sul.