[WIP] 3rd Unique Component Project

CyberSabotage · Feb 19, 2014

Hey man, thx again for all the hard work

Just wanted to ask if it was intetional that Byazantine can build there "circus" without the Horse or Elephants near the city? Seems like a VERY powerful UB :3 but its fun.

Krajzen · Feb 19, 2014

OK, so I this is what I have after 2 hours of playing with gimp:

(of course they are ALPHA versions without polishing few details)

Moroccan Riad, second version

Korean Seowon - And yes, I know what's problem here, there are as many trees hare as school buildings

But this is made from the only one nice looking picture of Seowon I have found - all others are either ugly or show Seowon as 'generic Asian building with this cool roof

' Personally I prefer this red image of unique Korean school somewhere in the forests (?) than some boring 'yet another brown pagoda' stuff - and this is what all other seowon pictures looked like

Netherland Waag, remade a bit but I don't know if enough - to be honest I have here little problems with blending sunburst, I will try more

Mongolian Ger - to be honest this one was astonishing: I expected some problems with seeking good picture of Mongolian 'tent', while after writing 'ger' in google the first image found was perfect

Originally there was blue sky here, but it looked kinda boring, lame and not Mongolian - this one IMHO fits Mongolia a bit better.

Mayan Ballcourt, I found perfect image for that (also fits Mayan colours nice) which of these two is better?

Carthago Cothon - yeah I know something is wrong in the right part of the round, I will repair this detail later

Rate them

mrc2022 · Feb 19, 2014

I've got to say for a guy that isn't good at making art I'm kind of critic with it.
I don't know how the others will look ingame, but the Riad looks amazing.
If you could send me the psd files via pm I can take care of the sunburst effect.

JFD · Feb 19, 2014

I don't mean to step on Krajzen's toes, but there is this Ger from the Civilization NiGHTs Mod (so I don't know the original artist).

And couldn't you use the Ottoman Bathhouse from the Scramble fro Africa scenario for the Riad?

mrc2022 · Feb 19, 2014

@CyberSabotage
Thanks again. Yes, it is intentional. If you can notice building the Hippodrome costs a Horse resource

@JFD
Thanks that would do. Perhaps with a brownish background like Krajzen's it would look better.
I'm using the that SfA icon for the Turkish Baths for the Ottomans

Krajzen · Feb 19, 2014

1)About Cothon and Ballcourt - it is really really hard to find images of those buildings alone, not even mention Civ5 style

Although I am happy you like Waag and Riad. To sum up, what should I send to you? And in how many sizes?

"I've got to say for a guy that isn't good at making art I'm kind of critic with it."

Uhm sometimes I don't understand English phrases, you mean that you generally demand high quality (I love high quality mods ;f) or you don't like those icons very much?

2) OK, so let's change tactic...

Here I have various pictures which IMHO would be possible to turn into good looking icons:

SALOON

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- I don't know what about you, but for me this is PERFECT :O (except from, maybe, colours... but B17 also is orange

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(although this is from devianart - I would ask creator of this one about permission/he should be mentioned as author)

SALON

P ) all those are French Salons
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ALTERNATE SEOWON (more visible buildings

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ASSYRIAN ROYAL GUARD

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'CELTIC CHARIOT' (this is much easier to find if I don't type in google proffesional name

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Imho 2) is the best alternative

SEPOY
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here is good looking Sepoy soldier
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CLIBINARII
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...bonus stuff
ALTERNATE STAVE CHURCH - current is nice, but looks so unimpressive...

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ALTERNATE DOJO - the same as above; personally I think that while current Dojo picture is OK, those are really awesome.
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my favourite one

So, which of all those are good?

By the way - what exactly is the uniqueness of Korean UB? It has the same stats as university

JFD · Feb 19, 2014

Could this work for the Seowon?

Krajzen · Feb 19, 2014

Brilliant.

How are you doing such wonderful images? :0 And what else are you planning to do?

EDIT
Ok, I have found few images for potential icons of Indonesian Ship and Junk Ship:

INDONESIAN (forgot name) EDIT first and third are in fact Junk Ships ;/

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it seems that this ship is cool but very unknown...

JUNK SHIP (this sounds sooo stupid in English

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(modern text on the ship can be erased

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5) is Simple but very Civ - looking

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- imho awesome.

mrc2022 · Feb 19, 2014

@Krajzen
1) I'll try to find something about those two. Just send me the psd file. Are you working on Photoshop?
2) That Saloon is perfect. For the Salon I'd go with the first. Let's first end the buildings art, then we'll go for the units, if that's okay with you. That Dojo would look amazing! The Stave Church icon is from Firaxis.
3) Could you send me the texture you used on your Ger? I worked around with the Ger that JFD shared and that touch is what's missing.

@JFD
Great! Thanks, less one to go

Krajzen · Feb 19, 2014

Nope, on Gimp...

So, I will send you Waag, Riad, Ger (currently I have all of it only in 256 size - send it?

). Are you going to make Saloon icon alone? (to be honest this image is so awesome that it requires almost no editing

) And, purely because of curiosity, which Dojo are you going to use?

Texture... You mean this? http://goo.gl/1kRu94 'Brown Sunburst' in google

I am happy that JFD's Ger - obviously better - will have this brown mongolian colour instead of purple (?!) or boring blue sky

EDIT
Wait one moment, I am struggling with putting .png here... You cannot save these ones? And I still don't know who is going to do rest of sizes for those icons - I can do that

Krajzen · Feb 19, 2014

Did you know about these?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18590

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18589

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18591

Maybe there are few cool icons here?

In the third one I see
- icon with something similar to Cothon
- unused variable of Horse Archer, maybe for Babylon?

- warriors, warriors, maybe one of them could be good for Assyria?
Just for future use

Also - currently the icon for Playhouse is Theatre... Greek Theatre. And Playhouse is supposed to give writers bonus, not happiness one. So, maybe we could put, instead of Greek Theatre, one those two unused Literature icons? http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3470&c=37 Well, for me picture of European ink and paper is even more correct for 'Playhouse' than picture of Greek Show - and it looks more interesting

(theatre has gone in BNW, but still it has this 'generic' feeling...)

mrc2022 · Feb 19, 2014

Krajzen said:
"I've got to say for a guy that isn't good at making art I'm kind of critic with it."

Uhm sometimes I don't understand English phrases, you mean that you generally demand high quality (I love high quality mods ;f) or you don't like those icons very much?

Meaning I like quality

Krajzen said:
Nope, on Gimp...

Then it should be a pdn file. Are you not working with layers?

Krajzen said:
Did you know about these?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18590

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18589

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=18591

Maybe there are few cool icons here?

In the third one I see
- icon with something similar to Cothon
- unused variable of Horse Archer, maybe for Babylon?
- warriors, warriors, maybe one of them could be good for Assyria?
Just for future use

Also - currently the icon for Playhouse is Theatre... Greek Theatre. And Playhouse is supposed to give writers bonus, not happiness one. So, maybe we could put, instead of Greek Theatre, one those two unused Literature icons? http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3470&c=37 Well, for me picture of European ink and paper is even more correct for 'Playhouse' than picture of Greek Show - and it looks more interesting (theatre has gone in BNW, but still it has this 'generic' feeling...)

Yeah of course, some of the icons in use came from there. I'm not seeing one resembling a Cothon. I thought that that Horse Archer was in use, now it will be. For the Assyrian Royal Guard I don't like any of the options.

For the Playhouse if it was the interior of one it would be perfect. Perhaps replacing it with just someone writing doesn't really fulfill the idea of the Playhouse.

About the Seowon, I think it was edited, have to check that out...

So what do you think of these:

meowschwitz · Feb 19, 2014

Did you ever determine what you were doing with Ethiopia?

I remember suggesting the churches of lalibela as a Grand Temple replacement. The front page hasn't been updated so I'm not sure what's actually finished at this moment. Also, great to see you working on this mod again.

bane_ · Feb 19, 2014

Two of the 4 Dojo Images are from L5R! Noah Bradley's art (Eternal Victory Dojo) is astonishing.

Krajzen · Feb 20, 2014

mrc2022 said:
Then it should be a pdn file. Are you not working with layers?

I use layers although in general I use gimp in a bit chaotic manner so probably I screwed something up...

mrc2022 said:
I'm not seeing one resembling a Cothon.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/icongot256_2_ixL.jpg

Second row, first icon on the left - not exactly cothon but IMHO it could fit.

mrc2022 said:
I thought that that Horse Archer was in use, now it will be.

Yeah, it looks very familiar but this is a horse from Companion Cavalry with some mongol - looking archer I cannot identify. I think it can be good as Babylonian.

mrc2022 said:
For the Playhouse if it was the interior of one it would be perfect. Perhaps replacing it with just someone writing doesn't really fulfill the idea of the Playhouse.

Yeah, right. But...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/icongot256_3_r49.jpg

- Sixth row, first pic on right: maybe it could fit as Playhouse? Yeah, not exactly Playhouse but I am not sure if we will find enough good interior...
- eventually we could desperately seek for some kind of Globe Theatre pic
- Seventh row, fourth pic from right - wouldn't it be even better, higher quality icon for Agora?

mrc2022 said:
So what do you think of these:

wait one moment

Dojo - :goodjob:

much better than (already OK, but not breathtaking) previous Dojo

Ger - seems ok, definitely better than current version

Saloon - I am proud of finding this masterpiece

very good
Iroquis - very nice, still not exactly Firaxis style but much better than anything I would create

I like it. Although, maybe change background colour for this Iroquis grey?... I am not sure here.

OK, in the spoilers below I will put my thoughts about gameplay abilities of all those uniques (I checked all of them in game).

Firstly, all uniques which are imho perfect

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Below there are 14 uniques which: don't work or I have my suggestions and ideas about some of them (few may require a piece of lua, although not really difficult)

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In general, this mod can be awesome

EDIT
Ok, few more icons, not very good but maybe something here will be a step more...

French Salon - I don't know what do you exactly want, but I created something civ - style, it was extremely easy one

'Celtic Chariot', I hope it will be accepted because it cost me much time - Maybe someone more experienced can improve it. Oh my god, that goddamn wheel, I hate it. I had so many problems with it... You see, the down part of original wheel is unusually bright due to mist (?) and it looked awful, so I decided to recolour it. Manually. The result is... still better than two colour wheel but not satisfying for me. I count on someone improving it or simply getting rid of 'outside' part of the Evil Wheel

Sepoy - I experimented with light, could be better ;D

Clibanaari

Krajzen · Feb 21, 2014

Ok, Celtic Chariot with sunburst (I took this one from pictish warrior and experimented with lights), less sharp Clibanaari

Indonesian Cetbang Warship. I hope someone will improve sunburst

mrc2022 · Feb 21, 2014

@meowschwitz
Yes, I've followed your suggestion and added Churches of Lalibela as a Grand Temple replacement for Ethiopia.
I'll try to update first page soon

@Krajzen
First, the icons.
I don't really like those unit icons. To improve your sunburst effect you should check some icon templates here in the forum. I believe they are in psd. You should try and layering stuff, if you want that way I can add the sunburst effect or any other detail, like some pieces coming out of the icon.
About those Kwadjh icons, I'm not really seeing those suggestions as fit.
I'll try and improve my Forest Prowler icon, messed up with his head... will also try to separate the pic from the background to add shadow and sunburst or other details.

Now the gameplay
About compatibility, this mod shouldn't clash with the Mali and Lalibela wonder, I chaged the names of the uniques so they won't clash.
Thank you for the compliment about Blue Hummingbird

About the invisibility of the Prowler it works fine, they are not completely invisible but they can surprise and ambush you effectively enough which was the intended purpose.
Regarding the Chasqui I noticed there's no animation when road building, will have to check that out.
For the Cetbang that's a good idea and easier to implement

The Uhlan, gun units either are melee or artillery, this unit shouldn't have bonus against artillery, from what I read those were their biggest opponents and that ultimately caused their elimination, but they exceled in charging against infantry units, that's what I wanted to represent. However they are listed for review so I'llk have to dig deeper and check them out better.

The Royal Guard, that's an interesting suggestion, will check it out

The Seowon, also listed for review, I was actually sure I had already edited it apparently not, I'll have to check my notes, or some old discussion here to see what I had planned for them.

I'll check the rest later

Krajzen · Feb 21, 2014

Yeah, I also don't like those unit icons

Creating icons was generally fun and I am glad that at least one my icon is well received

but I enjoy coding much more (currently I know XML/SQL, I streted learning lua). To be honest I doubt in my abilities of making High Quality Unit Icons (buildings are much easier) so I would rather leave those here, if someone wants he can download them and improve.
However, what do you think about Cetbang Ship excluding this ugly 'sunburst'?

This is my only unit icon which I like, created from cetbang image, sea beggar icon and great galleas icon. Only this goddamn light and sunburst! Do you think this icon could be good after improving sunburst, or not?

UHLAN - I already tested it, and yes, it has NO BONUS against anything from its era - only against longswordsmen/sworsmen/pikemen and so on! MELEE units are before musketman, later we have GUN class. Yeah, silly

PROWLER - I mean, how exactly invisibility work? There is percent chance that they disappear in forest, or they are always invisidible while in forest/jungle until being close to enemy? I am interested in this cool ability

SEOWON - I checked it, in the description there is said that it gives culture, but it doesn't. Also even if it would give it, this is the same ability as Wat one... What do you think about my idea with specialists?

I am happy that you like my suggestions for Royal Guard and Cetbang, these two seemed the weakest UUs for me.

I guess you have not enough time to answering on all suggestion, but I am wondering what do you think about 'communitas building lua script' and Mongol - Hun Unique Building Problem

Still, I am going to experiment with this lua. And I am interested in balancing/testing this mod

EDIT
Sweet God, this script is in XML :0 so simple... I will try it.

mrc2022 · Feb 21, 2014

Wow, thanks man. You being so active with this is really a boost. Coming here and seeing long texts with ideas and opinions is an incentive for me to work harder. Thanks

Now for the remaining suggestions

Canals, considering Venice is OCC it shouldn't do harm, I'll increase it

Forum, an extra specialist and a 15% contribution towards great people

Stave Church, didn't went far with this, is exactly the same as presented by Firaxis, however, as discussed through out the thread, this unique should be replaced, just haven't looked to it yet

Cothon, I believe it's fairly balanced

Tipi, yes that's it

Hippodrome, something to consider, but I feel that a bonus in faith might overpower it

Ger, I actually though in using Yurt as Hunnic improvement. But can't see why could't both coexist, I've no other idea regarding Mongolia.

About the Viking Longhouse, I was considering revamping the Stave Church, make it Dannish, and get something else for the Sweden

About that code, it seems a great idea. In my opinion, Agora - culture, Ballcourt - golden age points, Madrasah - faith.

Yeah I'm not happy with the Waag, I was having trouble something that would suite Netherlands. Maybe I'll search for something else, if I can't find anything then we'll go with that.

Well the Uhlan, that seems a mistake, will fix it

The invisibility is triggered when the Prowler enters a forest tile, it is invisible, and unless you're paying attention you won't notice them, but if they move they'll be seen, it's something like that, there're some restrictions, but I think it works as intended

Seowon, in that case I'll add the extra stuff for the specialists.

I'm adding all this to my to do list:

Check new art ingame
Test Streltsy
Code and test Cetbang Warship
Code updates
Update mod (the Credits are incomplete)
Update first and second post

Krajzen · Feb 21, 2014

mrc2022 said:
Wow, thanks man. You being so active with this is really a boost.

I have little depression and I want to work

mrc2022 said:
Hippodrome, something to consider, but I feel that a bonus in faith might overpower it

Eventually replace current bonus (or part of it) with +faith. It adds culture, if I remember correctly? Usually people on CFC complain on lack of +faith for Byzantium

mrc2022 said:
About that code, it seems a great idea. In my opinion, Agora - culture, Ballcourt - golden age points, Madrasah - faith.

I checked this communitas code and it works (in communitas) for faith, culture, science and golden age boost, probably also for gold

I will try testing it with some random building (who knows, maybe communitas mod alone has something which makes this script able to work? I am simply astnished by the fact that Instant Yield exist in XML and nobody used it before ;o)

mrc2022 said:
The invisibility is triggered when the Prowler enters a forest tile, it is invisible, and unless you're paying attention you won't notice them, but if they move they'll be seen, it's something like that, there're some restrictions, but I think it works as intended

Awesome.
Although I will already ask about AI... How AI detects Prowler, and can it use it? (I mean, it seems to be ranged unit instead of gun original - what if AI would try capturing cities with it?

)

In the meantime I am also testing my giant great people pack and out of ~200 great people, 29 aren't working so I will sit in XML with this as well as with Instant Yield

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