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Or maybe a tech? A policy would be more exciting, as you haven't touched them except the one. Maybe mod the Cultural Diplomacy policy as that is the weakest one IMO.
City State Diplomacy Mod (Updated)
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Or maybe a tech? A policy would be more exciting, as you haven't touched them except the one. Maybe mod the Cultural Diplomacy policy as that is the weakest one IMO.
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Interesting - is there a way I can put that in myself to test it?
I'm at work, and can't currently see the files, but it shouldn't be hard. Would be something like:
<Buildings>
<Update>
<Set PrereqTech="TECH_MASS_MEDIA"/>
<Where Building="BUILDING_UNITED_NATIONS"/>
</Update>
<Buildings>
Then add it to the mod and activate it
OR
you can just make a duplicate of your buildings.xml file in the Buildings folder of the actual game (for backup) then mod the original file. Change the prereqtech of United Nations to Mass Media (can copy-paste from Stadium over the UN's prereqtech) and done!
Civilopedia entry would obviously be off, but everything else should be fine.
<Buildings>
<Update>
<Set PrereqTech="TECH_MASS_MEDIA"/>
<Where Building="BUILDING_UNITED_NATIONS"/>
</Update>
<Buildings>
Then add it to the mod and activate it
OR
you can just make a duplicate of your buildings.xml file in the Buildings folder of the actual game (for backup) then mod the original file. Change the prereqtech of United Nations to Mass Media (can copy-paste from Stadium over the UN's prereqtech) and done!
Civilopedia entry would obviously be off, but everything else should be fine.
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Cool, I'll give it a shot.
Another thought in re view other civ's influence: Unlocked when embassy established (gold gift) - realistic, because you will have permanent staff members keeping tabs on what other civs are up to. Also provides strategy for whether to plop that gold down on highly contested CSs.
Yesterday a CS gave me a diplo unit as free unit
(as a "Great Person", by the approproate social policy, I guess, as it was Oslo, which is not militaristic)
/at least I remember this way, that it was not mine, just popped up there/
Is that OK?
(as a "Great Person", by the approproate social policy, I guess, as it was Oslo, which is not militaristic)
/at least I remember this way, that it was not mine, just popped up there/
Is that OK?
This is by design. The AI has an extreme proclivity towards violence, which (in vanilla) led to the complete destruction of most city-states by the industrial era. This seemed ridiculous, because the benefits of CSs outweigh conquering them in most cases. Thus I tuned the AI to 'love thy neighbor' and really push for an alliance with all neighboring CSs.
It is possible to take a CS from the AI, but the key is to do it quickly with a bunch of units. They will outdo your efforts if you only send a diplomatic unit once every twenty turns.
Another fun tactic is to declare war on the civ and target their city nearest the CS this will make it harder for them to get diplo units through your civilization. Sure, the allied CS will hate you for a while, but nothing a few state visits won't fix, right?
On the flip side, V. Soma, the gifting of diplo units is a known problem. To use the Great Merchant ability, diplo units have to be defined as a <SpecialUnit>. This means the AI pools them with great people when considering gifts.
It will be corrected once the DLL SDK hits.
G
Seek,
Did this work? Let me know! I'm starting to memorize Civ 5 code off of the top of my head....
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Ha! It took a few tries, but I got it working with this setup:
Code:
<Buildings>
<Update>
<Set PrereqTech="TECH_MASS_MEDIA"/>
<Where Type="BUILDING_UNITED_NATIONS"/>
</Update>
</Buildings>Cheers
Let me know what you think about the change.
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It's possible through Envoy spam.
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What do you mean? Sonereal, have you min/max'ed my mod?
No.
I'm playing on a dated version though (v1.2 since I don't want to update in the middle of a game and you update every two days
)The AI LOVES the diplo units and since there was on a limit on them, no one was impaired. With CCMAT, production is pretty decent which meant that some city-states became so heavily influenced by another civilization after a while that it became near impossible to flip them to your side.
Well....not really.
It just involves sending all your diplo units to one city-state until it flips. India had nearly 250 influence points with Bucharest in one of my games. As soon as I flipped them, I declared war and I think that wiped India's influence from the region.
No.
I'm playing on a dated version though (v1.2 since I don't want to update in the middle of a game and you update every two days
The AI LOVES the diplo units and since there was on a limit on them, no one was impaired. With CCMAT, production is pretty decent which meant that some city-states became so heavily influenced by another civilization after a while that it became near impossible to flip them to your side.
Well....not really.
It just involves sending all your diplo units to one city-state until it flips. India had nearly 250 influence points with Bucharest in one of my games. As soon as I flipped them, I declared war and I think that wiped India's influence from the region.
Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I've since imposed a soft cap on unit numbers so the AI will do something besides make the diplo units.
250...that's a lot of influence! And yes, DoW with an ally causes the CS to go to -60 with the player. Ouch...
There shouldn't be any major, game altering changes for awhile (until the new DLL stuff is pushed out). Perhaps a tweak here and there, but nothing like the changes since v. 12 and before.
G
I tried this mod today and found one problem. I managed to conquer England completely around turn 200 but they were still allied with city-state of Warsaw in turn 280. I wanted to ally with Warsaw and thought it would be easy because there weren't other civs in that continent. So I made some emissaries and sent them to Warsaw, but England remained their ally even though I had 335 influence with Warsaw. So how much influence England had with Warsaw???
I didn't continue using emissaries in Warsaw after that.
This was really frustrating and I hope this isn't intended.
Besides that this mod is really cool and unit-based diplomacy is much better than gold gifting.
I didn't continue using emissaries in Warsaw after that.This was really frustrating and I hope this isn't intended.
Besides that this mod is really cool and unit-based diplomacy is much better than gold gifting.
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Honestly, I found that somewhat unintuitive. I'd think that the ally declaring war on another civ shouldn't be that drastic of a hit. The other way around yeah, since the non-ally civ was the aggressor.
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I tried this mod today and found one problem. I managed to conquer England completely around turn 200 but they were still allied with city-state of Warsaw in turn 280. I wanted to ally with Warsaw and thought it would be easy because there weren't other civs in that continent. So I made some emissaries and sent them to Warsaw, but England remained their ally even though I had 335 influence with Warsaw. So how much influence England had with Warsaw???
This was really frustrating and I hope this isn't intended.
Besides that this mod is really cool and unit-based diplomacy is much better than gold gifting.
Are you playing with random events? We discovered that the tile pop event allows fully conquered civs to remain allies with CSs. Yes, it's annoying.
I tried this mod today and found one problem. I managed to conquer England completely around turn 200 but they were still allied with city-state of Warsaw in turn 280. I wanted to ally with Warsaw and thought it would be easy because there weren't other civs in that continent. So I made some emissaries and sent them to Warsaw, but England remained their ally even though I had 335 influence with Warsaw. So how much influence England had with Warsaw???
This was really frustrating and I hope this isn't intended.
Besides that this mod is really cool and unit-based diplomacy is much better than gold gifting.
It isn't intended, however there is no way currently to prevent such high amounts of influence or "zero-out" a rival's influence. I will correct this once we have more tools at our disposal. The same goes for the -60 war declaration issue- it is a hard-coded value that applies for aggressor and non-aggressor DoWs.
Thanks for the feedback- I have added your comments to my
'to-do' list.
Are you playing with random events? We discovered that the tile pop event allows fully conquered civs to remain allies with CSs. Yes, it's annoying.
No, I'm not using random events.
