Man Made Global Warming is a Media Made Myth
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Just like every year. Is it possible that you have bought into the media made myth that it rarely snows in Texas?
You posted some quotes without any sources at all. I'm not convinced.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
You haven't been on the forums long I take it?
Also, your signature massively violates forum rules
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
I just thought I'd mention that the Ice Ages are thought to have had warmer winters with less snow (since the cooler summers mean less evaporation), so global warming fits with more snow and colder winters rather well.
I do have some doubts about global warming, but recent cold spells don't really contribute to that. I tend to think that it is real, but greatly exaggerated. Humans cause a lot of harm to the environment, but CO2 induced global warming is one of the less important ones. There is nothing wrong with trying to reduce the levels of pollution, but doing so rashly is likely to lead to more problems. Cap and Trade has been shown to be ineffective (studies have shown 0 impact on emissions from the EU system, despite killing off several industries), and to harm the economy while allowing a few wealthy people to grow even richer. That is a bad idea, but simply taxing pollutants including CO2 is not. At this point, there isn't a whole lot we can do to stop global warming, but there is plenty we can do to adapt to the new environment.
Al Gore really didn't deserve that Nobel Prize. I'm pretty sure that the exhaust from his private jet he uses while on tours to spread his propaganda does more harm than his propaganda could do good. If I recall, his house also uses far more electricity than most, while W's ranch used extremely little. I can't remember whether it was both Al Gore's jet and Ted Kennedy's boat or just the boat that was caught illegally dumping fuel in the ocean. I seems liberals have a tendency of being really hypocritical on environmental issues, while conservatives personally act moe responsibly but don't try to draw so much attention to it.
I do have some doubts about global warming, but recent cold spells don't really contribute to that. I tend to think that it is real, but greatly exaggerated. Humans cause a lot of harm to the environment, but CO2 induced global warming is one of the less important ones. There is nothing wrong with trying to reduce the levels of pollution, but doing so rashly is likely to lead to more problems. Cap and Trade has been shown to be ineffective (studies have shown 0 impact on emissions from the EU system, despite killing off several industries), and to harm the economy while allowing a few wealthy people to grow even richer. That is a bad idea, but simply taxing pollutants including CO2 is not. At this point, there isn't a whole lot we can do to stop global warming, but there is plenty we can do to adapt to the new environment.
Al Gore really didn't deserve that Nobel Prize. I'm pretty sure that the exhaust from his private jet he uses while on tours to spread his propaganda does more harm than his propaganda could do good. If I recall, his house also uses far more electricity than most, while W's ranch used extremely little. I can't remember whether it was both Al Gore's jet and Ted Kennedy's boat or just the boat that was caught illegally dumping fuel in the ocean. I seems liberals have a tendency of being really hypocritical on environmental issues, while conservatives personally act moe responsibly but don't try to draw so much attention to it.
Narz
keeping it real
edit : before I get marked at spam, I don't have a problem with debating climate change science, I do think it's a bit silly to claim the media, led by evil Al Gore, is creating hype to... um, what's the motive?
If anything, the media is pretty damn quiet about climate change considering what a huge deal it is.
Saying it snowed in Texas and thus the world is not warming is as valid as saying Katrina was a freak and thus the oceans must be warming.
Hitti-Litti
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It's much harder to get the Nobel Peace Prize without knowing anything, so thanks to you, I now think that Al Gore is as awesome as Chuck Norris.
aelf
Ashen One
Did you just emerge from the Alaskan wild?
Book I'm reading on the topic says that [CO2] in the atmosphere prior to the 1800s* has never exceeded 280 ppm in the last 1 million or so years based on Antarctic ice cores dating this far back.
It mentions that CO2 by itself isn't a very potent GHG relative to other GHGs, but is of sufficient concentration to warm (or cool) the atmosphere just enough so that there is more (or less) water vapour being generated. Water vapour being a highly potent GHG. It is estimated that CO2 both directly & indirectly accounts for about 80% of the phenomenon of global warming.
If the scientists you quoted could debunk what has been established by specialists in the field, that'd be great in proving your point that global warming isn't man-made. Thanks.
*1800s, start of the industrial age.
It mentions that CO2 by itself isn't a very potent GHG relative to other GHGs, but is of sufficient concentration to warm (or cool) the atmosphere just enough so that there is more (or less) water vapour being generated. Water vapour being a highly potent GHG. It is estimated that CO2 both directly & indirectly accounts for about 80% of the phenomenon of global warming.
If the scientists you quoted could debunk what has been established by specialists in the field, that'd be great in proving your point that global warming isn't man-made. Thanks.
*1800s, start of the industrial age.
SS-18 ICBM
Oscillator
People who think the vast amounts of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere isn't doing anything are being delusional.
I think the mainstream media is doing a poor job explaining climate change concerns. We know this because too many people think that there's imminent threat, when that's really not what the scientists are talking about. And we know that there's a 'fake' scientific popularization movement trying to obfuscate things, because we're still getting people talking about water vapour, or solar rays, or (I guess) magnetic poles.
I watch the scientific media quite a bit (i.e., not the main media, but the media intended for scientists talking to each other), and there is a wipespread concern about global warming and about CO2 pollution. It's a real deal. Something to be worried about.
Many people think we should worry about other pollution, instead of CO2. Hey, if that's what they think, then power to them. But, I really wish they'd be proactive about it. Instead of just pointing a 'other pollution' to explain why they don't care about CO2, they should help do something about that 'other pollution'. In the short-term, it's probably a bigger actual threat, though it's also more obvious
I watch the scientific media quite a bit (i.e., not the main media, but the media intended for scientists talking to each other), and there is a wipespread concern about global warming and about CO2 pollution. It's a real deal. Something to be worried about.
Many people think we should worry about other pollution, instead of CO2. Hey, if that's what they think, then power to them. But, I really wish they'd be proactive about it. Instead of just pointing a 'other pollution' to explain why they don't care about CO2, they should help do something about that 'other pollution'. In the short-term, it's probably a bigger actual threat, though it's also more obvious
Thorbal
not enough ram!
Eh...
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Regarding the "ozone layer scare" - perhaps it has gone into the background a bit because, for once, more or less appropritate measures have been implemented (Montreal Protocol) and the concentration of CFCs
D) has stabilized or decreased and the ozone layer may actually be able to partly recover in a few decades?
Ayatollah So
the spoof'll set you free
Linky to aforementioned studies?
Yeah, tax > cap&trade. Probably for roughly the same reasons that cap&trade is much more politically popular / politically possible.
You're an environmentalist posing as the opposite, right? In which case you know that basically, what happened is the following. CFCs were banned. Problem stopped getting worse and started getting better.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
You are right. It has had an effect. The global temperature is likely a fraction of a degree higher than it would have been without it.
