You can´t. (You need to pick what you sell to who; that goes for any resource.)
And that's what is annoying me, India basically sold to all of Europe
You can´t. (You need to pick what you sell to who; that goes for any resource.)
And that's what is annoying me, India basically sold to all of Europe
In Europe (and probly elsewhere as well) there should be alot more barbarian camp.
I don't believe the world builder will allow the placement of barbarian camps. They seem to be random. Nothing I can do there. Sorry.
Actually, you can place camps in the World Builder....
First of all, its a great map. Thank you.
This is a game, but with all the other mod options available, its your attention to realism that entices us to play your mod. Nit-picking aside, I find the resource allocation to be well done. Obviously, there are not enough tiles to place every resource in its original location. I think its less about the historical accuracy of the resource location as it is about the benefits on the civilization which that resource gives. For example, when Athens discovered the large silver vein in Attica it allowed for it to build a dominating navy it used to eventually become an empire. Its really a matter of wealth. It matters little if the resource is gold or silver both will suffice to affect the civilization accurately. But, I would disagree with placing horses in North America .thats just wrong. hehe
As you seem interested in feedback and/or constructive criticism, heres a few suggestions:
1. Add city states Illyria and Thrace.
Ive been playing with the Greek civilization and I too found expanding North the only natural recourse and way too easy which is historically wrong. I agree with someone who posted earlier that militaristic city-states, Illyria and Thrace, could solve this problem by limiting expansion north-west and north-east. Illyria could also limit Roman expansion east.
2. Replace American Civilization with Iroquois.
I also agree with several posts earlier that America has no business being on this map. Im not some anti-American bashing ex-pat, but I am interested in playing a map that values realism and has consistent justifications for variations. America is merely a colony of Europe and is culturally nearly identical. The Iroquois, on the other hand, have more legitimate claim to being a distinct civilization with more natural development in America. This also gives the Europeans a chance to re-colonize. =P
3. Remove Ottoman Civilization and replace with Hittite City-State.
On that same mode of thinking, the Ottomans, though distinct from the Arabian civilization in some aspects, are a direct descendent with little cultural variation from the Arabians and thus a redundant civilization the same as the Americans. Their location at Istanbul/Constantinople is the single biggest barrier to eastward and even Aegean Sea sovereignty for Greece. Id propose that the Ottoman civilization be removed and replaced with a slightly more inland militaristic Hittite city-state.
4. Switch start conditions of Greece and Persia.
Also, I dont understand the logic behind Greece starting with two cities while all others start with 1 and a worker/warrior. With historic considerations, it should be the Persians who start with two cities. They were the first super power of the ancient world. Greece was, and very important for identity sake, a SMALL country that faced off with the largest nation on the planet, at the time. Id propose switching the two. Make Persia two cities but no worker or warrior. Persepolis and Susa or even Babylon since theres no Nebuchadnezzar in this mod; and make Greece 1 city.
5. Make Greek capital Athens and give them at least a Hoplite.
Pella is nice since it was the Macedonian capital but Alexander didnt exactly spend a lot of time on the thrown there. Athens is much more important as the cultural source of the Greek World. There is no Alexander the Great if there is no Athens. Also, Id give the Athenians at least a Hoplite. The Bronze Age is too short in civilization and the Roman legions are only a few clicks away. A Trireme too would be way cool.
6. Finally, the City State of Poland should be cultured rather than militaristic.
Thanks again for all your hard work and attention to detail. Its a real fun mod to play.
A good idea that i dident think of, with this chnage the cartagians should be added, and russia should be moved to be just north of Illyria and Thrace, as it's there the ancient swedes built the trading post that became Rus and then Russia.3. Remove Ottoman Civilization and replace with Hittite City-State.
I do agree with this, the mesopothanian cultures was way larger then any other in the ancient era.4. Switch start conditions of Greece and Persia.
This is one way, another would be to start with Pella, but the spot for adding the city Athens would be much better then Pella so Athens would quite soon outgrow Pella once setteled.5. Make Greek capital Athens and give them at least a Hoplite.
I cant realy agree to this, althought imo Poland could be renamed to Goths (actually it should be on the swedish isle of Gothland but..) and sweden would symbolize the Geets (Götar) both the Geets and Goths ehere strong militaristic and in trading, sure they had a very rich culture as well. But I think it would be to much of a help to germany if they where cultural.6. Finally, the City State of Poland should be cultured rather than militaristic.
Maybe let Etrusia have gold (so romans can aquire it) and the Greek have silver. Making it more intresting for thoes two to wage war.It matters little if the resource is gold or silver both will suffice to affect the civilization accurately.
A good idea that I didnt think of...
For a more historical feel I would suggest adding Denmark and Norway in Scandinavia. Also put a tile of hills where Zealand is supposed to be and place their capitol there.
This is one way, another would be to start with Pella, but the spot for adding the city Athens would be much better then Pella so Athens would quite soon outgrow Pella once setteled.
Denmark I do agree with, but Norway is not needed unless Sweden is added as a playable civ I think. Althought I have not yet play-tested England, so maybe they indeed is needed to limit them.For a more historical feel I would suggest adding Denmark and Norway in Scandinavia.
They are not, Gauls where Celtic tribes in the area of where belgium is today.I didn't think the Poles were descendents of the Gauls.
Hopefully Kruelgor will agree with us as well ;DTerrain
I agree with your solution, dosent matter what thire names is, at least not in this stage.City-State Solutions:
Well in the days Finland was a thorn to Russia it was a part of Sweden. If we want a bit more historical accuracy the citystate could be Nyen wich was a swedish trading port that later became St. Petersburg.I think Finland is a nice add being a traditional enemy of the Russian peoples.
This is why I suggested that the spot for athens would be alot better so it would outgrow pella fast, the reason to why Pella is it's location. If you start with Pella it would be very natural to get a settler and build athens quite fast, and then go to colonice south of italy or something. While if you get Athens from start, then you wouldent want to settle the area where Pella is realy as its not very lucrative area.Oh, I forgot. I disagree with your thought of starting with Pella then building Athens. This is one we'll have to agree to disagree. Pella isn't even in the top 3 for most influential city-states of Greece.
Denmark I do agree with, but Norway is not needed unless Sweden is added as a playable civ I think. Althought I have not yet play-tested England, so maybe they indeed is needed to limit them.
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They are not, Gauls where Celtic tribes in the area of where belgium is today.
My idea was to make them symbolize the Goths, these where a people from the swedish isle Gotland and they roamed around in Europe quite alot, and spred alot of culture as well (gothic inspired buildings are quite popular even today). And thire natural entry to Europe was by sea landing in what is today the Baltik countries and Poland as well as Germany and Denmark obviusly. But these places where more common for the Geet's(from mainland sweden) to roam into.
Hopefully Kruelgor will agree with us as well ;D
I agree with your solution, dosent matter what thire names is, at least not in this stage.
Well in the days Finland was a thorn to Russia it was a part of Sweden. If we want a bit more historical accuracy the citystate could be Nyen wich was a swedish trading port that later became St. Petersburg.
This is why I suggested that the spot for athens would be alot better so it would outgrow pella fast, the reason to why Pella is it's location. If you start with Pella it would be very natural to get a settler and build athens quite fast, and then go to colonice south of italy or something. While if you get Athens from start, then you wouldent want to settle the area where Pella is realy as its not very lucrative area.
Another reason for starting with Pella is to slow down the growth of greece, forcing them to get the city of athens before they get any real production and growth going.
If you get Athens right away you will advance pretty fast thanks to the great location of it.
Ok I know, alot of Sweden all over, but the truth is that Sweden and Denmark have huge inpact on the formation of Europe as even Russia is from start a "swedish" trading colony. And in the middle Ages the swedish forces defeted the Vaticans expansion and victory for protstantism over catholism. Not to mention the Vikings etc.. Sweden is even more entiled to be a playable civ then most of thoes already in the game. So is Denmark. O well scandinavia is always neglected, the price for 200years of peace