SANCTA diplomacy

I had discussion with Krill.

Main points: They are researching HBR so we'l have War elephants and catapults available soon and they suggest that after construction we'll hand them gold so that Civil service could be researched as fast as possible. Theie expenses are approximately the same as our income. This sounds good plan to me.

plako says:
hi
Krill says:
hi mate
plako says:
I'm bit worries that we'll see War elephants and catapults soon
*worried
Krill says:
Same here
plako says:
We need something to counter them
Krill says:
SANCTA should finish a library in our capital end of next turn
then we can get HBR in 2 turns
plako says:
alright. 100% construction takes 4 turns
Krill says:
thanks
so by t110 we should both be able to build eles and cats
plako says:
Yes
Krill says:
As to CS, I don;t know when we get it, but if we do get HBR next - and I think we both think that is wise - then we should get it by t115
plako says:
It would make most sense to me maybe also to team
Krill says:
We should also have sugars hooked and sent to you by our turn 111
plako says:
we've silk and insence coming, but I can't give exact schedule
Krill says:
np
thank you
plako says:
Would Machinery make sense after Construcstion to you?
assuming you go for CS
Krill says:
Well
If we go for CS, we'll need funding to get it quickly.
plako says:
big empire . lot of maintenance
Krill says:
but lots of beakers
plako says:
How much?
Krill says:
lemme check
obviously it's changing
but our costs, which don;t change too much...
(Waits for the thread of a thoasand pictures loads...)
*winces*
Total expenses are 87 gold
total base beaker production will be 165 base beakers, give or take by the time we start HBR
plako says:
87 is probably close we can currently generate
per turn
Krill says:
That fits well. We have our cottage city growing, and a couple of coastal cities are just getting, or got their lighthouse, so they are starting to grow as well
plako says:
Nice talking to you. I'll ask opinion from the team
bye
Krill says:
ditto. Have a good evening
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I had a very intresting conversation with Memphus. Instead of running for HBR and Civil service they would like to take a shot at Music and assume to get it in 7 turns. I like the idea, even if it involves mainly techs that we don't need and it delays HBR and Civil service. They requested our opinion before they play their turn. Please let me know as soon as possible, if you object the idea.

I also offered Calendar to Memphus for 10 gold that we need turn after this one.

Here is also description that Memphus made concerning short term techs:

TurnGoldTech Discovered:
106- Poly within 1 beaker
107~10 gold To Saturn
108~12 Gold to Saturn Aesthetics within 1 beaker
109~??? Gold To Sancta Construction & Poly
110~89 to Sancta Aesthetics
111~89 to Sancta Literature
112~89 to Sancta Music
113~89 to Sancta HBR
114~89 to Sancta
115~89 to Sancta
116~89 to Sancta
117~89 to Sancta
118~89 to Sancta Civil Service

Spoiler :


Memphus says:
Yo!
plako says:
hi. a minute
alright
Memphus says:
no problem
sooo we have quite the humdinger of a proposal for you.
plako says:
go ahead

Memphus says:
How does 4 extra techs sound over the next 7 turns?
plako says:
not bad
Memphus says:
the downside is, it delays HBR by 5 turns and CS by 5 turnss from our orinal plan
so isntead of HBR T108 it would be T113
and CS T118 instead of T113 as we had said before
What happend is kaz dropped a new forward city.
If the get Music and Bomb that city, we are cooked, they can split us and run through our empire
however we know they are beign complacent about music because no one is close, we assume they are getting feud or machinery
so we foudn a way to turn our empire upside down and get poly, aesthetics, literatur and music in 7 turns
but kaz will only see us get poly, 3 turns before we get music, so they can't switch and go fast enough.
the flip side is, if we bomb our front city, kaz is split and they will be impaired and out of the game.
the MM behind it is kinda crazy....
plako says:
MM?
Memphus says:
micro managment
plako says:
alright
Memphus says:
we research poly next turn to within 1 beaker
then swithc to aesthetics, for 2 turns same thing within 1 beaker
then we get poly T108
overlfow into aesthetics T109 (get it)
overflow into literatur T110 (get it)
overflow into Music T112 get it end of turn
*edit add 1 turn to my above number*
then T113 we can get HBR in 1 turn.
Advantage for you guys is we have a lvl 3 unit we can gift for the HE!!!
plako says:
very nice of you
Memphus says:
we know it is asking alot
thoughts?
plako says:
cunning plan. However I'm bit worried what MS is doing currently
Memphus says:
we are watching thier power closely... how close are they to you?
plako says:
I don't know exactly
Memphus says:
you guys shoudl definetly be expanding east towards us as that land is all saf!
and on your western front putting up LB's on hills
plako says:
west doesn't look that appealing
at least the closest parts all hills
Memphus says:
so i nthat 5 Turn Delay for HBR, build cats, that would kill anything MS could throw at you
plako says:
I guess we'll had to delay also construction?
Memphus says:
we don't think so
we only need t ogo 70% next turn
plako says:
so you don't need gold right away
Memphus says:
no not next turn, or the turn after
2 turns out, we will build weath if we need to.
to MM it properly we stil lwant to get construction ASAP with you guys!
plako says:
so wemight get it. Catapults, longbows and spears might be enough
if they are coming with War elephants
Memphus says:
too long of travel time!
our boat still hasn't met them
but it just foudn a barb city on the coast.
so they would have to take that first?
plako says:
I don't understand why they arebuilding army, if they are not going to use it. Our main problem is weak production and there aren't much we can do about it
short term
Memphus says:
yeah so over those 6 turns focus on gettign production up! and more cities in the east
the other part is if we manage to beat down kaz we can provide units to you with our production! because we won't have to commit as much to the kaz war.
not to mention it will be a huge moral blow for Kaz and Cav to see they lost music!
kidna liek what happend to cav when we grabbed the oracle
plako says:
I like the idea
I'll had to ask from the team opinion
Memphus says:
for sure.
because after 2 turns we need crazy funding like 100% gold from you guys.
but youll get a new tech every turn
and you can even try to sell to MS or Cav for gold?
that would help fund the effort!
how much gold do you guys make at 100%? (so we know how many cities we need to put to wealth?)
plako says:
Personally I don't belive we get any trades with them.
Memphus says:
me either...but maybe aesthetics for 40 gold?
plako says:
Others in the team still belive
at least little
Memphus says:
haha yeah definetly a 3 v 2....but with this blow to kaz we can make it a 2 v 2!!!
plako says:
Hopefully. Their new city is well protected?
I'll had to check the gold situation
Memphus says:
it will have our culture on all sides
so no reinforcements quickly
plako says:
but you can't take it now
Memphus says:
and once we take that thier empire is split in half so we can mop up
no...we won't know until T110 if we can or not, but that coudl be too late
we have to make major overhauls in the empire to do this.
it is almost 2000 base beakers in 7 turns.
running scientists building wealth working 1 food coat tiles (4 commerce)
but we are at -87GPT in 2 turns when we go 100%
so when you check the gold you need 10 next turn for construction
then what % do you run the turn after that? do you need to go 100% again to get it?
plako says:
I'll check the gold situation and how much we need to finish construction in 4 turns
now
Memphus says:
should be 3? IF you jump into the game can you send calendar over too?
plako says:
sure
Memphus says:
thks!
plako says:
3 yes turn has passed
Memphus says:
cool!
on your last turn what % do you think you can run? (i.e. how much gold available) or can you get it in 3 now at 90%? 80%?
plako says:
it shows still 4 and will be 3 after I select end turn. Currently we need 100% research for these
we need currently 11 gold formaintenance
Memphus says:
ahhh ok gotcha.
so you have enough for this turn
plako says:
this will raise after IApetus comes "online"
Memphus says:
next turn we can give 10 (or 11 again)
plako says:
I requested it alonside calendar. 10 is enough
now
aminute
Memphus says:
cool!
so that 10 will be what you need for next turn right?
plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
then you will need 10 more the turn after
and then might be able to give us a little bit on your last turn (might not need 100%)
plako says:
*I think we need little bit more since Iapetus gets online
Memphus says:
ok no problem we can do that still
plako says:
Currently 0% is 89 gold
Memphus says:
perfect!
so we can do it
ok so you have enough for 106
this 10 we give is for T107
plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
then T108 you need ~10 maybe a bit more
plako says:
~13-15 I guess
Memphus says:
then T109 you might not need any because that is the turn you finish construction
plako says:
depends what tiles we work
Memphus says:
so you might have some for us but not much
plako says:
and can we lower slider
Memphus says:
and T110 you can gives us 100% gold ~89
plako says:
sounds right
Memphus says:
perfect!
so then that happens for T110-T112 and bang it is done

oh shoot my window closed. do you have a record of this convo? can you save it and email it me

plako says:
Personally I'm alright with this, but I'll ask from the team and sure I'll send you the discussion
Memphus says:
for sure!
let us know before our turn.
it is definetly out of the box!
as I said we don't want to slow construction
so you get cats (and ability to cross rivers)
plako says:
Anything else to check in the game before I log out
Memphus says:
but if we miss this we might lose to Kaz
nope thats cool!
plako says:
Gambling
but that is needed to do well
Memphus says:
if we get it we beat Kaz 100%!
so can you send me the chat?
we under this plan will also have sugar for you in 2 turns (if you need we can send our first source) if not we will have it in 5 turns from now!
plako says:
Because of barb problems we could use early sugar, but in 2 turns I think wemight have situaton under control and garrison back in the city
sending you now
Memphus says:
cool thks!
we can send in 2 turns if you need!
also where do you want that chariot to go?
plako says:
Rhea is central place of course you could also continue towards west. There is Dione our most western city
Memphus says:
Ok how about we go west and scout for MS advancing?
plako says:
that sounds ok too
Memphus says:
if we see troops we can tip you off to what they are?
plako says:
We can't afford sending scout yet
Memphus says:
so we will do it!
and cover any path that MS woudl send units in from!
plako says:
To get Dione follow the road first to north towards Saturn
Memphus says:
we also know you are safe in the sea because of our galley
ok cool
plako says:
good to know
Memphus says:
shoot that email isn't here yet I wanted to respond with a nice chart for you! (with turns techs and gold transfers
plako says:
strange I sent it couple of minutes ago
gmail
Memphus says:
got it just now
replied.
thanks very much for jumping online.
please let me know what your team says! we sure hope they accept!
plako says:
email arrived. Thank you for keeping us informed
bye
Memphus says:
we are a team no change unless you guys buy in!

 
Won't Kaz get to Music before we even have a shot at it?

Seems interesting anyway. I'd prefer to go for the military techs rather than additional extras, but whatever works for SANCTA I guess. :)
 
They've a plan to get it before Kazs in 7 turns form this turn. This all is based on assumption that Kazs are researching something else currently since they don't feel Music to be threatened. I don't know how can they generate enough beakers, but I guess they know what they are doing.
 
I sent this to Memohus. Unless someone objects I'll approve their plan in ~6 hours.

I'll send you our answer later today. So far no big objections has come up although these techs are not that useful to us currently.

plako
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Couple of messages from Memphus. First one arrived before I sent my message and latter one after it.

Until you guys tell me which way to go!

We need to start it this turn.

More good news though. With more MM when we are doen these 4 techs we think we can get CS in 3 turns So really that is only a ~2 turn delay from before!!

Memphus
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For sure that is understood.

The inherent Benfit for your team though, is we go research crazy (see previous pm) and with the ability to get CS in 3 turns, you can see we invest crazy in our research ability!

The longer term benefit is that with KAz out of the way we can dedicate some production to you guys!

Also With calendar I scaled the map and extrapolated. it would take MS ~15 turns to march to you guys. So our chariot should be out htere before they can get to you!

Memphus
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Okay, good to see SANCTA have some decent plans in place.

I agree with DMOC - the #1 most useful thing we can do at this point is to strengthen our defences to prevent ourselves getting killed. ;)
 
Discussions with Memphus and krill.

Main points
*they want us to run 100%-40%-40% research to get Construction in 3 turns instead of 2
* We need 10 gold from them
* All extra gold is handed to them after this turn

Spoiler :

plako says:
hi
Memphus says:
hello
Memphus says:
so i sent the 14 gold
plako says:
thanks
Memphus says:
then i asked for 10 back
plako says:
alright
plako says:
you need them
Memphus says:
we have 2 cities running wealth
plako says:
?
Memphus says:
yeah after i ended turn, we need 10 gold to go 100% next turn, which we need every turn now to get the music gambit done
Memphus says:
how close are you guys to construction now?
Memphus says:
if you drop to 50%, how many turns?
plako says:
Had to check
Memphus says:
60%? 70%? etc? and how much gold do you make.
Memphus says:
ok cool
plako says:
I'll log in to see
plako says:
oops can't log in. I'm reinstalling
Memphus says:
no rush
plako says:
I'll tell you when I can
Memphus says:
ok cool
Memphus says:
our chariot is going W to fog bust for you
plako says:
good thanks
Memphus says:
also i sent silk this turn
plako says:
We haven't scouted that good city sites in East. If we go and check are there somewhere we could look at
Memphus says:
yes
plako says:
we see silks and cow and 1 flood plain in SE from our capital
Memphus says:
there is furs due east of your silver city
plako says:
we see one fur. Is there something else
plako says:
food?
Memphus says:
yeah can't remeber without checking but there is food
plako says:
thank you for info Immortal that reclaimed Iapetus could take a look at it
Memphus says:
cool!
Memphus says:
there is also spices and copper close to our border city
Memphus says:
that is further SE
plako says:
might be too far?
Memphus says:
it is far for you
Memphus says:
might be more like city #12 or something
Memphus says:
once we get musci we block of the land route to you from your SE as well, so you are covered there (except barbs)
plako says:
arrgh. I was downloading the patch ~5 MB left and lost connection
Memphus says:
our galley just spoted a barb city which ms look to be capturing, it is over 15 tiles away from you.
plako says:
ok
Memphus says:
so the pressure on contruction is relieved a little!
plako says:
yeah the power raise stopped
Memphus says:
so i think it was growth and them preparing for this barb city
Memphus says:
so yeah next turn we asked for the 10 gold back, but the tur nafter that we need like ~70
Memphus says:
but i also checked and as mentioned we can get CS in 3 turns once this is done!
plako says:
I'll check what this means. I think we can run 90% this turn with 4 gold.
plako says:
Wow. Now I found download site that actually works
plako says:
12 minutes
plako says:
others were somtehing like 40 minutes
Memphus says:
haha cool!
Memphus says:
ok but then what % do you need to run to have 70 gold for the turn after i want to find a way to maximize when you get Cons, and find a way to keep us funded!
Memphus says:
cool you download worked!
plako says:
yes. 4 this turn means 90% and lefts about 100 base beakers to be collected
plako says:
4 gold
Memphus says:
what % do you run to be +70 gold?
Memphus says:
(for next turn)
plako says:
20% and we generate ~21 beakers
plako says:
5 turns with that rate
Memphus says:
hmmm
Memphus says:
ok what does it say you make at 50%?
plako says:
~38 gold + 52 beakers => 2 turns
Memphus says:
PERFECT!
Memphus says:
if you do that for 2 turns
Memphus says:
we can run ourselves next turn, so you guys get +38 gold
Memphus says:
and get 1 turn away
Memphus says:
then the turn after you dsicvoer it and 38 + 38 = 76
Memphus says:
which then after your turn you can send to us and we stay at 100%!
Memphus says:
music is then done by T112! because 3 turns out you guys go 100% gold, and it works!
plako says:
Great
Memphus says:
then after we get music we either get HBR in 1 or CS in 3, it is your choice
Memphus says:
we are indifferent
plako says:
so 90%-50%-50%-0%
Memphus says:
oh
Memphus says:
i thought 50-50 did it
Memphus says:
you need 90-50-50 first?
plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
;(
Memphus says:

plako says:
200 base beakers are missiing
plako says:
sry
Memphus says:
shoot.
Memphus says:
it is ok
Memphus says:
you have a minute to chat to krill
plako says:
from construction
Memphus says:
he is a micro managment wiz
Memphus says:
i bet he can figure it out
plako says:
alright
Memphus says:
cool!
plako says:
bye


Spoiler :


plako says:
hi
Krill says:
Hi mate
plako says:
I've discussed with Memphus. we need 200 base beakers for construction. and can generate ~ ~100/turn
Krill says:
200 exact?
plako says:
yI guess 70 gold is "missing"
plako says:
~
plako says:
quite exact
plako says:
104 base beakers actually
plako says:
no 105 at 100%
plako says:
270/522 is construction
plako says:
currently
plako says:
I don't know what bonuses are applied
Krill says:
OK
plako says:
but roughly 200 base beakers are needed
Krill says:
the way the boni are applied is this
Krill says:
you take the base beakers you generate, that's the number in the top left of the screen next to the research %
plako says:
105
plako says:
at 100%
Krill says:
then multiply that number by 1 + 0.6*number of teams that know the tech
Krill says:
so for construction, MS, Kaz and Cav know it, so it is 105*1.18
Krill says:
=123.9
Krill says:
then always round down to the nearest integer
Krill says:
so 123
Krill says:
and multiple by 1 + 0.2* the number of techs that have an arrow leading to the tech you are research
Krill says:
and then round down to the nearest integer again
Krill says:
=147.6
Krill says:
so 147
Krill says:
So if you research at 1005 next turn, you'll be at 417 beakers
Krill says:
out of 522
plako says:
alright
Krill says:
So after that
Krill says:
OK, I'm going to estimate that you have libs in both you capital and Rhea, right?
plako says:
no
Krill says:
well, you said you make 87 gpt at max tax the other day
plako says:
0% is 91 gold
Krill says:
oh cool
plako says:
now
Krill says:
so 50% scince is 46 gold, and 52 bpt
plako says:
38/52
Krill says:
ok]
Krill says:
to get Construction in 3 turns
Krill says:
you need to go max research next turn
Krill says:
then generate 38 base beakers for the following 2 turns
Krill says:
I think that would be around 50 gpt then?
plako says:
we'll need 10 gold back then. I approved the trade
Krill says:
ok
plako says:
40% gives 42 beakers and 49 gold
Krill says:
ok
plako says:
so 100%-40%-40% (last could be 30%)
plako says:
gives you gold -10+49+~50
Krill says:
I think that's the best plan
plako says:
alright I hope it doesn't delay you too much
Krill says:
We should be able to scrape by
Krill says:
one way or the other
plako says:
good
plako says:
bye then
 
New message from SANCTA. So we'll run next turn 0% and 70% turn after that. And deliver all excess gold to SANCTA. I presume this is alright to all of you.

Hey Plako ~

So with +94 next turn and then +17 the turn after (0% then 70% for you guys) we found a way to ake it.

Mind you 2 turns our we have to run like 7 of our cities on wealth, we can make it happen (by 2 beakers) so it is very tight! We actually can just do it with 111 from you guys! We tried it the other way around (+17 then +94 and it doesn't work )

either way thank you team once again, and expect a new tech every turn for the next 4 turns
poly
aesthetics
litt
music

Memphus
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btw. We could suggest SANCTA that we'll specialize our economies so that we'll mainly concentrate on building gold multiplier buildings whereas they concentrate on science muiltiplier buildings. We would be running with 0% and they as close as opssible 100%. This would save quite a bit of production. What do you think?
 
I had discussion with Memphus. Next turn we should research 70% and deliver 18 gold to SANCTA. There is also info about the shape of our continent.

Spoiler :

plako says:
hi
Memphus says:
thks for the $$ poly discovered! this is going to be funy to steal from Kaz!
plako says:

Memphus says:
it is getting really hot at that war azone
Memphus says:
our chariot up north where to next W and then?
plako says:
you see Dione?
plako says:
There is just one road there
Memphus says:
we are 1 tile E of dione
plako says:
towards west and pigs
Memphus says:
ok cool any axe or anythign need taking out?
plako says:
Killed it
plako says:
was above ipgs
plako says:
*pigs
plako says:
+18 gold
plako says:
next turn
plako says:
and Construction
Memphus says:
at 70%?
plako says:
but if nescessary maybe we could delay it another turn
plako says:
yes70
Memphus says:
+18 works! we have a little pain on our side but it is doable.
Memphus says:
that way the turn after you can send construction
Memphus says:
can't ask you to delay again if we can make it work
plako says:
ok good
Memphus says:
the 2 turns after that we need ful funding though!
Memphus says:
and then there on for HBR in 1 and CS in 3!
Memphus says:
all techs will be to you before T120!
plako says:
nice
Memphus says:
we can then get machinery in 3 turns if you want or something else. our teching is getting fast now!
plako says:
It might be wisest to research techs that others have
plako says:
to save some beakers
plako says:
so Machinery is ok
Memphus says:
yeah for sure!
Memphus says:
or whatever cav is gettig now?
plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
congrats on the new settler btw!
Memphus says:
things gettign easier with the barbs yet?
plako says:
thanks
plako says:
we have quite a lot to catch up
plako says:
barbs are under control now
plako says:
none visible
Memphus says:
yeah you guys focus on building cities and we'll tech for a bit!
plako says:
I don't have clear picture where you abd Kazs are located
Memphus says:
we are to your SE
Memphus says:
Kaz is S of us.
Memphus says:
if you picture a star that is what the map is like
Memphus says:
you guys are the north pole
Memphus says:
we are NE tip
Memphus says:
Kaz SE tip
Memphus says:
Cav SW tip
Memphus says:
MS NW tip
plako says:
ok thanks
Memphus says:
we have a land route to you kaz and cav
Memphus says:
but not to ms
Memphus says:
the city we are bombing effecitvely blocks kaz and cav from your SE land entrance
Memphus says:
which if the map is balanced that leave only your SW to defend
plako says:
alright. thanks for the info. Sleeping time for me.
plako says:
bye
Memphus says:
night
 
Message from Krill:

Yo dude,

Just a quick request from SANCTA; we offered MS a possible deal, Aesthetics and Literature for HBR. We have no expectation that they'll accept the deal, but we're just checking with Saturn that such a deal is OK to you. If it isn't, we'll back out of the deal.

Krill, SANCTA
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Sorry for my long absence from this game - I should be back next week.
 
Ingame message from Ronnie1. Kazs are attacking.
 

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