Could be, because "son of a donkey" is definitely a curse, while "son of donkey-driver"... I don't know, it sounds stupid.
But the voice actor claims on his website that he knew what he was doing. Too bad we can't contact him.
Language translations for leader sayings
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Could be, because "son of a donkey" is definitely a curse, while "son of donkey-driver"... I don't know, it sounds stupid.
But the voice actor claims on his website that he knew what he was doing. Too bad we can't contact him.
Could be, but I doubt it... His pronunciation seems accurate, but it does seem Arabized a bit.
He does pronounce the pronouns differently from what I'd expect (entu instead of ant/antun, eneḥa instead of anaḥnen/naḥnen)
Also from what I know, in classical Aramaic king Darius was referred to as "Daryawahush (דריוהוש
" Darihush (as the VA pronounces it) is a modern term.The way that the VA pronounces the Gimmel rafa in DariusPeaceful as a voiced uvular fricative, shows that he is from an area where Arabic ghain is pronounced that way, and it affects his Aramaic pronunciation (I'd expect it to be pronounced as a voiced velar fricative in Aramaic).
Igor and others would you like to try to decipher his other lines? I can post here the other phrases (which I understand partially), and maybe others here can fill up the gaps?
Edit:You know who the voice actor is?
Yeah, when I first heard it, I also thought he said "donkey"...
In his written messages he keeps going on what a great and faultless king he is, and how everybody else is so completely incompetent ("I think you misunderstand the situation: I am the great Darius, king of Persia, and you are a worthless cur, unfit to kiss the hem of my garment"). So with that in mind, I think it is somehow reasonable that he calls another leader a donkey driver or even worst than that...
Btw, "taḥtai bar ḥammar" could also mean "beneath/under a donkey driver" which is stronger than "beneath me, son of a donkey driver"
A small update:
DariusHateHearIt1: Go on! (lit. go!) זל! zal!
DariusHateHearIt2: I'm listening (lit. I hear/listen) שמענא sham'na
DariusHateYes2: Agreed (lit. it has become agreeable) השתווא hishtawe
DariusNeutralNo: [your offer is] not good enough (lit. it's missing a handful) חפנא חסר
DariusHateHearIt1: Go on! (lit. go!) זל! zal!
DariusHateHearIt2: I'm listening (lit. I hear/listen) שמענא sham'na
DariusHateYes2: Agreed (lit. it has become agreeable) השתווא hishtawe
DariusNeutralNo: [your offer is] not good enough (lit. it's missing a handful) חפנא חסר
The voice actor's website?
I don't remember if it was his website, or something similar... Look a few pages back for the address.
Stronger, but way too complicated... "You are worse than a donkey-driver's son, you son of a... donkey-driver!"...
Ah, found it, thanks
.I like to collect such links for the info center, because they are all interesting to read.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
Great! Now most of Darius' dialogue is translated.
All we need is hateYes01, declares war, peaceful, defeated, and request.
Possible meanings for declares war: 1.Your greed and ineptness leaves me little choice: prepare for war! 2. Your people cry out for relief from your incompetence. Prepare for war! 3. Your continued existence is an embarrassment to world leaders everywhere. You must be destroyed.
possible meaning for peaceful: We'll call it a tie, shall we?
Possible meanings for Defeated: 1. Curse you! The blood of the greatest leader in world history is on your hands! 2. You fool! Do you know what you have done? The world will long lament your heinous crime! 3. You have defeated me?? But how could this have happened? There must be some mistake!
Possible meaning for Request: In my endless magnanimity, I am making you this offer. You agree, of course?
These are all from the xml files. Perhaps they can help you translate.
All we need is hateYes01, declares war, peaceful, defeated, and request.
Possible meanings for declares war: 1.Your greed and ineptness leaves me little choice: prepare for war! 2. Your people cry out for relief from your incompetence. Prepare for war! 3. Your continued existence is an embarrassment to world leaders everywhere. You must be destroyed.
possible meaning for peaceful: We'll call it a tie, shall we?
Possible meanings for Defeated: 1. Curse you! The blood of the greatest leader in world history is on your hands! 2. You fool! Do you know what you have done? The world will long lament your heinous crime! 3. You have defeated me?? But how could this have happened? There must be some mistake!
Possible meaning for Request: In my endless magnanimity, I am making you this offer. You agree, of course?
These are all from the xml files. Perhaps they can help you translate.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
I'll try to contact an Ancient Greek professor to finish the rest of Alexander's lines
For Zarma, Mohawk, Nahuatl, Akkadian, and Quechua, I'll contact professors. Maybe I'll get lucky and find the ones who wrote the lines.
For Zarma, Mohawk, Nahuatl, Akkadian, and Quechua, I'll contact professors. Maybe I'll get lucky and find the ones who wrote the lines.
Good luck on that! Let's hope you will get some answers.
Also wondering this.
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Thanks for the contributions, guys. Updated Darius. I had to remove info about the sources for each translation since the OP exceeded the maximum no. of characters allowed. Now it fits, and if we get more translations I'll probably have to create a new thread that links back to this thread.
There are YouTube channel owners who know how to speak Mohawk, but I haven't been fruitful in trying to reach them. They didn't answer my message. One of the posters in this thread was to help us with the Quecha translations, but he hasn't gotten back to us in ages. *shrug* Not sure if he'll come back, that'd be great.
It'd be awesome if you guys could find translations for the others! Thankfully Gods and Kings is full of leaders whose languages should be relatively easy to translate (exception: Attila, who may or may not be speaking a made-up language).
There are YouTube channel owners who know how to speak Mohawk, but I haven't been fruitful in trying to reach them. They didn't answer my message. One of the posters in this thread was to help us with the Quecha translations, but he hasn't gotten back to us in ages. *shrug* Not sure if he'll come back, that'd be great.
It'd be awesome if you guys could find translations for the others! Thankfully Gods and Kings is full of leaders whose languages should be relatively easy to translate (exception: Attila, who may or may not be speaking a made-up language).
Thanks for the contributions, guys. Updated Darius. I had to remove info about the sources for each translation since the OP exceeded the maximum no. of characters allowed. Now it fits, and if we get more translations I'll probably have to create a new thread that links back to this thread.
Like already offered, we moderators can insert some posts if you like. You just have to tell us how many you think you need.
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Cool. Didn't know you made that offer though. Unless I forgot...I'll keep you posted when I have a better idea of how many posts I'll need.
Just a note that there are leader intros for the new civs on the G&K website: http://www.civilization5.com/godsandkings/us/civilizations/
Theodora speaks Greek from the sound of it.
Boudicca speaks Welsh. Moreover I believe she says
"Mae fy enw(?) Buddug, brenhines y Celtiaid. [something]" - My name is(?) Boudicca, queen of the Celts. [something]
I read somebody said they spoke Welsh so we should be able to get that translated.
Theodora speaks Greek from the sound of it.
Boudicca speaks Welsh. Moreover I believe she says
"Mae fy enw(?) Buddug, brenhines y Celtiaid. [something]" - My name is(?) Boudicca, queen of the Celts. [something]
I read somebody said they spoke Welsh so we should be able to get that translated.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Can anyone confirm Dido (or at least comment whether it's Arabic or not). The choppiness makes me think Punic is a possibility at least.
For Byzantium, I was only listening for key words, but they made me think Medieval Latin (I thought I heard "figlia" or "daughter). Then again, other parts sound Greek, so I clearly don't know.
For Byzantium, I was only listening for key words, but they made me think Medieval Latin (I thought I heard "figlia" or "daughter). Then again, other parts sound Greek, so I clearly don't know.
According to Wikipedia, Byzantine Greek borrowed from Latin especially with respect to titles. I have no knowledge of Greek or Latin and was merely guessing it was Greek as to me it sounds similar to Alexander's speech.
I plugged 'I am Theodora' and 'Byzantium' into Google Translate (I know) for Greek and got pronunciations that sound similar to what she says. So my uneducated guess would be Byzantine Greek, with interlaced Latin.
EDIT:
More guessing wrt Dido's language: Wiki gives the Arabic for Carthage as Qarṭāj, which she doesn't appear to say. The Phoenician origin is given as Qart-ḥadašt, which when read phonetically sounds like something she says at the end.
I plugged 'I am Theodora' and 'Byzantium' into Google Translate (I know) for Greek and got pronunciations that sound similar to what she says. So my uneducated guess would be Byzantine Greek, with interlaced Latin.
EDIT:
More guessing wrt Dido's language: Wiki gives the Arabic for Carthage as Qarṭāj, which she doesn't appear to say. The Phoenician origin is given as Qart-ḥadašt, which when read phonetically sounds like something she says at the end.
anandus
Errorist
The Dutch sentence and translation:
"Ik... ben Willem van Oranje, Stadhouder over de Nederlanden. Behoeft gij iets? Mij staat nog veel te doen."
Translation:
"I... am Willem of Orange, stadtholder of the Netherlands. Do you need something? I still have a lot to do"
"Ik... ben Willem van Oranje, Stadhouder over de Nederlanden. Behoeft gij iets? Mij staat nog veel te doen."
Translation:
"I... am Willem of Orange, stadtholder of the Netherlands. Do you need something? I still have a lot to do"
I doubt Dido speaks Arabic.
In the end she says something like "Anuq Dido, hamalkat Qart-Hadash wa-kulula."
I have no idea about this "wa-kulula".
But the stuff she says before it are clearly "I am Dido, the queen of Carthage."
In Hebrew it would be: "Ani Dido, malkat Kartago."
In Arabic (according to Google Translate...): "Ana Dido, Malika a-Qartaj."
*Hebrew uses the Latin word "Kartago" (Carthago) for Carthage, which is a little weird for me, because it could have just translated Qart Hadast into Kirya Hadasha (which means "New City").
In the end she says something like "Anuq Dido, hamalkat Qart-Hadash wa-kulula."
I have no idea about this "wa-kulula".
But the stuff she says before it are clearly "I am Dido, the queen of Carthage."
In Hebrew it would be: "Ani Dido, malkat Kartago."
In Arabic (according to Google Translate...): "Ana Dido, Malika a-Qartaj."
*Hebrew uses the Latin word "Kartago" (Carthago) for Carthage, which is a little weird for me, because it could have just translated Qart Hadast into Kirya Hadasha (which means "New City").
