R.E.D. World War II development thread

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 16, 2011

@Gedemon, it is about the same size in the loading screen however my screen resoulution is pretty high so I can't be exact. And the Last Paragraph I can shorten down a bit and I didn't even think about the fact that the ICON_CAPITAL was a star too.

And when you mean align do you mean align the stars? or the writing? and I do think ill split the military section up into Army, Navy, Airforce, rated upon size and efficiency.

@Putmalk, Thanks I never thought that about the fact I could just do that

And here attached are the icons (they look better when their smaller) I have been working on, left to right Special Forces, Infantry, Paratrooper and Mechanized. The first three were used from the game Company of Heroes so that was pretty easy, the last one which I don't think is very good wasn't, I wish I could make the rising sun thing more like the halftrack...the tanks and vehicles are hard to make like the vannila civ hence I don't have another game to cheat off of

but if you want more infantry like the first three I think there is some more choices.

Gedemon · Aug 16, 2011

T_KCommanderbly said:
@Gedemon, it is about the same size in the loading screen however my screen resoulution is pretty high so I can't be exact. And the Last Paragraph I can shorten down a bit and I didn't even think about the fact that the ICON_CAPITAL was a star too.

And when you mean align do you mean align the stars? or the writing? and I do think ill split the military section up into Army, Navy, Airforce, rated upon size and efficiency.

@Putmalk, Thanks I never thought that about the fact I could just do that

And here attached are the icons (they look better when their smaller) I have been working on, left to right Special Forces, Infantry, Paratrooper and Mechanized. The first three were used from the game Company of Heroes so that was pretty easy, the last one which I don't think is very good wasn't, I wish I could make the rising sun thing more like the halftrack...the tanks and vehicles are hard to make like the vannila civ hence I don't have another game to cheat off of but if you want more infantry like the first three I think there is some more choices.

For the star I mean something like that:

Code:

Land Army:		******
Air Forces:		***
Navy:			****
Industrialization:	*****
Recruiting:		**
Economy:		***

instead of

Code:

Land Army: ******
Air Forces: ***
Navy:	 ****
Industrialization: *****
Recruiting: **
Economy: ***

But I don't know if it can be done.

The space taken by the text shouldn't change with the screen resolution, the text box is a fixed size I think.

I've added the icons to the second post, for reference.

We've already too many infantries, but more choice is better than no choice !

I think prefer Putmalk version for the paratroops/special forces, but your first one is very good too. That may be another incentive for me to split Paratroops and Special Forces in 2 unit classes.

I also like the way Putmalk's and your's icons are coming out of the circle, but is there a limit to that ? I mean the 2nd and 3rd, I wonder if the game will render all the picture.

And I know I'm asking much, but do you think a king of gradient could be applied on the "rising sun" background ?

Many thanks to all, I hope we can make something really, really good with your help and comments :goodjob:

For material, I've some results using "vehicule name" and "paint" in google image search, like this site for example : http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/browser/56/military-vehicles-1-72

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 17, 2011

Ya, your right about the resoulution...how do you like this? If you don't like the trait and units are pushed down that far, I can always have less newlines too.

IMO, I would split special forces and Paratroopers (of course its more work), I always think it as Special Forces: Foreign Legion, Ranger, SAS, Waffen SS, Bersagali etc... and Paratroopers as Fallshirmjaeger, Airborne etc... I would make special forces all different that way so that each nation has their own unique specialty type of unit. While paratroopers would be like Infantry, where they are different but not by that much.

And regarding the icon size limit, I think there probably is but the ones I have should be fine, however I don't know if it would run into anyother object, which would probably be the problem.

And I can try gradient, I was trying different ways to make them blend together but I coudn't figure out anything, I'm kind of a noob at 2d graphic type stuff still learning Gimp, but ill keep trying.

Putmalk · Aug 17, 2011

There shouldn't be a limit as long as the images doesn't exceed the 256 x 256 box, then it'll go into the next icon.

Gedemon · Aug 17, 2011

T_KCommanderbly said:
Ya, your right about the resoulution...how do you like this? If you don't like the trait and units are pushed down that far, I can always have less newlines too.

IMO, I would split special forces and Paratroopers (of course its more work), I always think it as Special Forces: Foreign Legion, Ranger, SAS, Waffen SS, Bersagali etc... and Paratroopers as Fallshirmjaeger, Airborne etc... I would make special forces all different that way so that each nation has their own unique specialty type of unit. While paratroopers would be like Infantry, where they are different but not by that much.

Nice, I like this layout, I suppose we could keep only 2 "special" units on that screen and have the complete unit list on the setup screen :goodjob:

And you've convinced me, I'll split paratroops and special forces (danrell choice of units was a great factor too)

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 17, 2011

Here you go all the dawn of man quotes, I didn't make all the stars even... Im guessing you would have to space it out using the space key, maybe I could do that later.

Spoiler :

Code:

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				<CivilopediaTag>TXT_KEY_WW2_SCENARIO_CIV_FRANCE</CivilopediaTag>
				<DawnOfManQuote>"President, France has been the center of the world of culture and the arts, we are one of the few countries to be a standing Democracy. And our military stands as the most modernized in the world. After the Great War our country had to rebuild herself, just after rebuilding we were plunged into the depression and now things get worse as agression increases in Europe and the Pacific. Now the world looks to our power to counter the facist agression and the ideals of militarism. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]The peace loving people of France have elected you to be their leader in these hard times. Can you President lead France to defeat the Facist agression and keep France as the center of greatness...?"[NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_UNIT_TEXT]Army:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CITY_BLUE]Navy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_RESEARCH_RATE]Air Force:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_GOLD]Economy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_PRODUCTION]Production:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CULTURE_RATE]Diplomatic Situation:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL]</DawnOfManQuote>
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				<PortraitIndex>5</PortraitIndex>
				<IconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</IconAtlas>
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		<Update>
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			<Set>
				<CivilopediaTag>TXT_KEY_WW2_SCENARIO_CIV_GERMANY</CivilopediaTag>
				<DawnOfManQuote>"Mein Führer, After World War I, we were humiliated by betrayal of our own leaders and treated harshly by the Treaty of Versaille. The Weimer Republic has failed and has driven us into economic disaster, after turmoil and bad leadership, you have risen to power. Already you have turned this country around into it's true glory, The Third Reich, by defying the Treaty of Versaille and solving Germany's economic issues.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]The Fatherland has always been a great nation, our military the best in the world, our generals unmatched and our industrial might unseen. Can you lead the German People to complete world domination and restore the greatness of this country...?"[NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_UNIT_TEXT]Army:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CITY_BLUE]Navy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_RESEARCH_RATE]Air Force:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_GOLD]Economy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_PRODUCTION]Production:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CULTURE_RATE]Diplomatic Situation:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL]</DawnOfManQuote>
				<DawnOfManImage>dom_germany.dds</DawnOfManImage>
				<PortraitIndex>0</PortraitIndex>
				<IconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</IconAtlas>
				<AlphaIconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</AlphaIconAtlas>
			</Set>
		</Update>
		<Update>
			<Where Type="CIVILIZATION_ENGLAND"/>
			<Set>
				<Description>United Kingdom</Description>
				<ShortDescription>United Kingdom</ShortDescription>
				<Adjective>British</Adjective>
				<CivilopediaTag>TXT_KEY_WW2_SCENARIO_CIV_UK</CivilopediaTag>
				<DawnOfManQuote>"Prime Minister, our country has been the largest and most powerful on the face of the earth for centuries. Our country has been the protector of Democracy and the leading humitarian country of the world, our military might has gone unmatched for a long time. But many militaristic countries have grown up to challenge what we stand for and what we see right. The costly victory during World War I and the economic depression our country has slipped into has damaged our great country tremendously. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]However the people have elected you to lead this great country,  relying on your leadership and strength to stand up against militarism and facism. Can you Prime Minister defeat the aggressors and get us out of this depression, but also restore Britain to her height as a world power...?"[NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_UNIT_TEXT]Army:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CITY_BLUE]Navy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_RESEARCH_RATE]Air Force:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_GOLD]Economy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_PRODUCTION]Production:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CULTURE_RATE]Diplomatic Situation:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL]</DawnOfManQuote>
				<DawnOfManImage>dom_uk.dds</DawnOfManImage>
				<PortraitIndex>1</PortraitIndex>
				<IconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</IconAtlas>
				<AlphaIconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</AlphaIconAtlas>
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		</Update>
		<Update>
			<Where Type="CIVILIZATION_ROME"/>
			<Set>
				<Description>Italy</Description>
				<ShortDescription>Italy</ShortDescription>
				<Adjective>Italian</Adjective>
				<CivilopediaTag>TXT_KEY_WW2_SCENARIO_CIV_ITALY</CivilopediaTag>
				<DawnOfManQuote>"Duce, After the costly victory during World War I, our government went into turmoil, fearing a Communist uprising they installed you and your Facist party to power. Taking action you have eliminated all competeition in the government and have created a dictatorship. The people of Italy have gotten weary of your rule and upset by the hard economic times that have come upon them, however you promise them a New Roman empire. Defying the League of Nations you have already invaded Eithopia and already they have crumbled to your rule.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Italy was once the center of the world, once the most important empire in the West. The hard working Italian people look to you to establish Italy back to glory. Can you establish a new powerful Roman empire and defeat the opposition...?"[NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_UNIT_TEXT]Army:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CITY_BLUE]Navy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_RESEARCH_RATE]Air Force:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_GOLD]Economy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_PRODUCTION]Production:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CULTURE_RATE]Diplomatic Situation:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL]</DawnOfManQuote>
				<DawnOfManImage>dom_italy.dds</DawnOfManImage>
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				<AlphaIconAtlas>WW2_FLAGS</AlphaIconAtlas>
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			<Set>
				<Description>U.S.S.R.</Description>
				<ShortDescription>U.S.S.R.</ShortDescription>
				<Adjective>Soviet</Adjective>
				<CivilopediaTag>TXT_KEY_WW2_SCENARIO_CIV_USSR</CivilopediaTag>
				<DawnOfManQuote>"Comrade, long have the people of the world been cursed by Imperialism and Capitalism. But no longer, the glorious Soviet Union has risen out of the ashes of revolution and the horrible World War I, to defeat the evils of Capitalism and Imperialism. This great nation has come to defeat Facism and the evil influences of the West, long has our nation waited to become the superpower it is meant to be. [NEWLINE][NEWLINE]The people of the glorious Soviet Union have recognized you as the absoulute authority to lead them to defeat the evil Capitalists in the West and the agressive Facist powers. Can you comrade show the world, the power of our socialist government and spread our communist ideals all over the world, can you make us a super power...?"[NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_UNIT_TEXT]Army:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CITY_BLUE]Navy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_RESEARCH_RATE]Air Force:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_GOLD]Economy:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_YIELD_PRODUCTION]Production:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][NEWLINE][NEWLINE][ICON_BULLET][COLOR_CULTURE_RATE]Diplomatic Situation:[/COLOR] [ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL][ICON_CAPITAL]</DawnOfManQuote>
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Screenshots

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 18, 2011

Left To Right... <Moterized Infantry, Convoy, Mobilie Hq (Which ever you choose)>, <Dive Bomber, Attack Aircraft>,<Surcouf Special Submarine>,<Mechanized Infantry (redone)>,<Engineer, Combat Engineer>,<Cruiser Tank>.

Hope you like them

I redid the mechanized Infantry since I didn't like my other one, I also think the submarine is kinda hard to see but it was hard to find the right image. And the Engineer is from Company of Heroes.

Gedemon · Aug 20, 2011

thanx, added in second post !

I've tried to add some of them in game, here's how it render (clickable screens) :

Attack Aircraft :

Loading screen with Special Forces:

Special Forces:

Notes: made from preview, so need some cleaning, it will help to have them on a transparent background from start (edit: but not yet, when finished, we'll need to to the icon atlas with original files, not preview).

Heavy Tank Destroyer (used with Char B1 for test purpose)

Note: Right, we can go farer outside the circle that I thought

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 20, 2011

Oh here are the units in transparency, the download is the blue button at the bottom.

http://www.2shared.com/file/EDf-Ljkz/WW2UnitIconAtlas256.html

NwabudikeMorgan · Aug 22, 2011

Hey again, loving v6 of the MOD, great work everyone!
I'm playing through and i know i've brought this up before, but the timing on things is off, and i dont mean in a standard vs epic vs marathon way, i mean that the USSR DoW's finland on turn 20, and the third reich DoW's norway/netherlands on turn 16, whereas historically, the "winter war" between the soviets and finns started roughly 5 months before the german invasion of the netherlands. What's going on here? Also: on standard speed (not sure if there are others for the scenario) germany invades poland right on Sept 1 1939, but the USSR, which invaded in the middle of september, only DoW poland in november.... again i'm not sure whats going on here?

I assume you've coded in the turns on which each DoW should take place, so they're fixed turn numbers, im just not sure why some things are hapenning early and others late, and some things mixed around. If you like I could figure out what turns all the DoW should happen on on standard speed and post that here for you guys.

Gedemon · Aug 22, 2011

yep, I haven't worked on the timeline yet, I need to finish to code something to take date into account, not turns.

But I already now the format I will use, and started coding it, so if you want, you can help me with the timeline.

there are 6 tables used for diplomatic changes:
- Major_Diplomacy : for civilization vs civilization Declaration of War, Declaration of friendship, Denunciation, Permanent Alliance and Peace Treaty (ex: France vs Germany, Germany vs USSR, etc...)
- Minor_Relation : for minor civ (City-States) friendship and allied statut with civilizations. Annexation goes there
- Major_Minor_Dow : for civilization vs minor Declaration of War (ex: Germany vs Poland)
- Major_Minor_Peace : for peace traty between major and minor (ex: USSR with Poland in case of Poland is still alive when USSR join the allied side)
- Minor_Minor_DoW : for declaration of war between minors, if they're not already at war via alliance
- Minor_Major_DoW: for declaration of war from minor to major, if they're not already at war via alliance

And here's the code:

Spoiler :

Code:

g_Major_Diplomacy = {
	[1] = { 
		{Type = DOF, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
		{Type = DOF, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = ITALY},
	},	
	[3] = { 
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = GERMANY},
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ENGLAND, Civ2 = GERMANY},
	},
	[7] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = GERMANY},	-- 03 sept 1939
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ENGLAND, Civ2 = GERMANY},	-- 03 sept 1939
	},
	[8] = { 
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = FRANCE},
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[24] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = FRANCE},
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[30] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[36] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = USSR},
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = USSR},
	},
	[38] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = USSR},
	},
	[42] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = ITALY},
	},
}

-- Minor Civilizations
g_Minor_Relation = {
	[0] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = ALGERIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = TUNISIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = MOROCCO},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = LEBANON},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = SYRIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = POLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = GREECE},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = NORWAY},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = EGYPT},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = PALESTINE},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = EGYPT},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = PALESTINE},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = ALGERIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = TUNISIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = MOROCCO},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = LEBANON},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = SYRIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = POLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = GREECE},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = NORWAY},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = SLOVAKIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = HUNGARY},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = LIBYA},
		{Value = 120, Major = ITALY, Minor = LIBYA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = SLOVAKIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = HUNGARY},
	},
	[24] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = USSR, Minor = BALTIC},		-- 14 june 1940 after ultimatum
	},
	[32] = { 
		{Value = -70, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = IRAQ},
	},
	[36] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = ROMANIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = FINLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = ROMANIA},
	},
	[38] = { 
		{Value = 110, Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},		-- in case Poland is still alive when USSR join allies
	},
}
g_Major_Minor_DoW = {
	[6] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = POLAND},		-- 01 sept 1939
	},
	[10] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},			-- 17 sept 1939
	},
	[16] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = DENMARK},		-- 09 apr 1940
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = NORWAY},		-- 09 apr 1940
	},
	[18] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
	},
	[20] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = FINLAND},		-- 30 nov 1939
	},
	[24] = { 
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},	-- 06 apr 1941
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = GREECE},		-- 28 oct 1940
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
	},
}
g_Major_Minor_Peace = {
	[37] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},	-- in case Poland is still alive when USSR join allies
	},
}
g_Minor_Minor_DoW = {

}
g_Minor_Major_DoW = {
	[36] = { 
		{Minor = ROMANIA, Major = USSR},
		{Minor = FINLAND, Major = USSR},
	},
}

All that needed is to replace the number under bracket with the date coded in the form "19390901" for September 1st, 1939

ex for Germany vs Poland:

Spoiler :

And here's the list of major and minor :

Spoiler :

NwabudikeMorgan · Aug 22, 2011

Sure, I'd be glad to compile a list of the DoW's for you.

kept playing v6 as germany, and noticed a big problem: when Paris is captured and France falls, the Vichy and new German cities work great, but all the land i had captured in netherlands/brussels/poland/denmark was returned to the city state i got it from, I kept the cities, but all the tiles were back to "polish"/"danish", etc, so the city had no tiles to work and i had to move units over the tiles to reclaim them for germany. Hope you can fix that without too much hassle.

Gedemon · Aug 22, 2011

NwabudikeMorgan said:
Sure, I'd be glad to compile a list of the DoW's for you.

kept playing v6 as germany, and noticed a big problem: when Paris is captured and France falls, the Vichy and new German cities work great, but all the land i had captured in netherlands/brussels/poland/denmark was returned to the city state i got it from, I kept the cities, but all the tiles were back to "polish"/"danish", etc, so the city had no tiles to work and i had to move units over the tiles to reclaim them for germany. Hope you can fix that without too much hassle.

thanks !

I think I know what I've forgotten, it should be a quick fix, I'll may post a new version when back from work...

NwabudikeMorgan · Aug 22, 2011

k Gedemon, heres the dated list of all the initiations of war, alliance, etc...

Spoiler :

Code:

g_Major_Diplomacy = {
	[19390701] = { 
		{Type = DOF, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
		{Type = DOF, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = ITALY},
	},	
	[19390720] = { 
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = GERMANY},
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ENGLAND, Civ2 = GERMANY},
	},
	[19390903] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = GERMANY},	
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ENGLAND, Civ2 = GERMANY},	
	},
	[19390920] = { 
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = FRANCE},
		{Type = DEN, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[19400610] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = FRANCE},
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[19400620] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = ENGLAND},
	},
	[19410622] = { 
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = USSR},
		{Type = DOW, Civ1 = ITALY, Civ2 = USSR},
	},
	[19410701] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = FRANCE, Civ2 = USSR},
	},
	[19400620] = { 
		{Type = PEA, Civ1 = GERMANY, Civ2 = ITALY},
	},
}

-- Minor Civilizations
g_Minor_Relation = {
	[19390601] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = ALGERIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = TUNISIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = MOROCCO},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = LEBANON},
		{Value = 120, Major = FRANCE, Minor = SYRIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = POLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = GREECE},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = NORWAY},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = EGYPT},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = PALESTINE},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = FRANCE, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = EGYPT},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = PALESTINE},
		{Value = 120, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = ALGERIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = TUNISIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = MOROCCO},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = LEBANON},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = SYRIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = POLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = GREECE},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = NORWAY},
		{Value = 50, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = SLOVAKIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = HUNGARY},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = LIBYA},
		{Value = 120, Major = ITALY, Minor = LIBYA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = SLOVAKIA},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = HUNGARY},
	},
	[19400614] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = USSR, Minor = BALTIC},		
	},
	[19410401] = { 
		{Value = -70, Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAQ},
		{Value = 50, Major = GERMANY, Minor = IRAQ},
	},
	[19410622] = { 
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = ROMANIA},
		{Value = 120, Major = GERMANY, Minor = FINLAND},
		{Value = 50, Major = ITALY, Minor = ROMANIA},
	},
	[19410701] = { 
		{Value = 110, Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},		
	},
	[19410627] = {
		{Value = 110, Major = GERMANY, Minor = HUNGARY},
	},
}
g_Major_Minor_DoW = {
	[19390901] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = POLAND},
	},
	[19390917] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},	
	},
	[19400409] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = DENMARK},	
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = NORWAY},	
	},
	[19400510] = { 
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
	},
	[19391130] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = FINLAND},
	},
	[19410406] = { 
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Major = GERMANY, Minor = GREECE},
	},
	[19401028] = {
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = GREECE},	
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = BELGIUM},
		{Major = ITALY, Minor = NETHERLANDS},
	},
	[19410825] = {
		{Major = USSR, Minor = IRAN},
		{Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAN},
	},
}
g_Major_Minor_Peace = {
	[19410701] = { 
		{Major = USSR, Minor = POLAND},	
	},
	[19430901] = {
		{Major = USSR, Minor = IRAN},
		{Major = ENGLAND, Minor = IRAN},
	},
}
g_Minor_Minor_DoW = {
	[19410410] = {
		{Minor = HUNGARY, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
	},
	[19410406] = {
		{Minor = BULGARIA, Minor = YUGOSLAVIA},
		{Minor = BULGARIA, Minor = GREECE},
	},
}
g_Minor_Major_DoW = {
	[19410622] = { 
		{Minor = ROMANIA, Major = USSR},
		{Minor = FINLAND, Major = USSR},
	},
	[19430909] = {
		{Minor = IRAN, Major = GERMANY},
	},
}

Had another idea for you, since you've got the Vichy thing all sorted out, why not include a similar thing for Italy, as in 1943 after Mussolini's government fell, Italy became a co-belligerent of the allies against germany. It could be implemented the same as the fall of france ie: if rome falls, italy becomes a city state friend of the allies and at war with germany? maybe a good idea would be to include a time frame for this, so it cant happen until after 1942?

Gedemon · Aug 22, 2011

thank you !

ok, but now I must finish the date coding

if possible, can you use a code tag in your spoiler to keep the indentation ?

Yeah for Italy, it's planned, but don't ask me when, I'm still working on the early eras of the war...

Next big things will be to link a project to an invasion.

For example, I would like to give Germany a special project called "Operation Weserubung", which upon completion will automatically launch a air assault with paratroopers on Norway...

NwabudikeMorgan · Aug 22, 2011

edited!

I like that idea of projects for invasions! same thing planned for Overlord and Avalanche?

Gedemon · Aug 22, 2011

and Torch, and the planned but not used ones like Sealowe, etc...

But don't start compiling a list yet, I need to test one first

T_KCommanderbly · Aug 22, 2011

Hey another idea that pertains to projects is maybe some research projects for certain weapons, like the MP-40, PPSh and the Sten. Once completed you could give the infantry units a promotion which makes them stronger depending on the weapon.

and btw I noticed that Infantry units can get the Blitz promotion. The problem is it's completely pointless since they can't move after attacking anyway so it is a waste.

Putmalk · Aug 22, 2011

Got back to working on icons.

Two new ones:

Gedemon · Aug 23, 2011

added to second post, and I love the P-47 :goodjob:

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