Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I agree its way too powerful to be cheaper.
C2C - Building Review Thread
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Azurian
The Azurian
I have two suggestions.
Elder Council
+25%
Add:
Should only be built on the Capital OR be a National Wonder.
Academy
+50%
Can Only be Built by Great Scientist.
Add:
Is a National Wonder.
Elder Council
+25%
Add:
Should only be built on the Capital OR be a National Wonder.
Academy
+50%
Can Only be Built by Great Scientist.
Add:
Is a National Wonder.
I have two suggestions.
Elder Council
+25%
Add:
Should only be built on the Capital OR be a National Wonder.
Academy
+50%
Can Only be Built by Great Scientist.
Add:
Is a National Wonder.
I agree with Elder council. Or perhaps just tone down the % a bit.
I dont think the signature trait of a Science GP should be a one time use.
Given the length of the game perhaps 50% is too much and could be 33% instead?
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
The Academy goes obsolete. I don't think it should.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I will have to think about the Elder Council. Req the Palace may be the way to go. Or toned down stats. I do not think it should be a wonder.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Yeah if it's a national wonder it counts against limits but it makes a lot of sense to limit it to the capital by requiring the palace.
Encyclopedia used to give free techs if known by at least 2 other civs or something, now its different isn't it?
Anyway, I used to just manually remove it from the game because it ruined games due to how powerful it was. You could essentially build it, then change to 90% espionage and be fine. This was especially true if there were quite a lot of civs in the game.
Anyway, I used to just manually remove it from the game because it ruined games due to how powerful it was. You could essentially build it, then change to 90% espionage and be fine. This was especially true if there were quite a lot of civs in the game.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
The other option is to have one per x other buildings.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
We're talking about a building one should be able to build when they have only one city. Don't think this solution would thus be advised.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
Actually that is exactly the problem with the way this was implemented in Civ IV in my view. It should have been eg 1 per every 3 buildings means that you can build 1 if you have 1-3 buildings, 2 if you have 4-6 etc.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I can see the point of both types of evaluations being available. Would make sense that some buildings should require a particular amount of x buildings being built throughout the nation before you can build it and for some to be buildable as long as you have at least one x building but no more than 1 per a given amount of x buildings built.
I'll try to squeeze in a new tag for that at some point.
I have now reached the Galactic Era in my current game and I really like the new buildings that have been introduced to the Transhuman Era recently. What I don´t like is that there are way too many dependencies between the buildings. This is absolutely contradictory to the idea of using building lists (by using ctrl or shift in the city view). You can only put a few buildings in a list, wait until they are finished. Only now can you build the next few buildings and so on. With a larger imperium this means a horrendous amount of micromanagement: I have found a list of 13 buildings depending on each other only in TH age. That means that you have to create at least 13 buildings lists in each city only while in TH.
The example:
To build the Nanobotic Printing Mill you need the Nanofactory.
For the Nanonfactory you need to have a Gamma Assembler.
To build Gamma Assembler you need the Uterine Replicator and:
Cybernetic Organic Labs
Somatosensory Manipulation Lab
Neuron Reg. Lab
Applied Psychology Lab
Neuroscience Psychology Lab
Stem Cell Lab
Bioinformatics Lab
Protein Lab
Molecular Biology Lab
All these are TH buildings! Please reduce the dependencies drastically, this isn´t fun anymore!
And then there is the issue that you can´t build a lot of buildings at all because they depend on each other in a kind of vicious circle. I have written that in the bugs forum but no one reacted...
The example:
To build the Nanobotic Printing Mill you need the Nanofactory.
For the Nanonfactory you need to have a Gamma Assembler.
To build Gamma Assembler you need the Uterine Replicator and:
Cybernetic Organic Labs
Somatosensory Manipulation Lab
Neuron Reg. Lab
Applied Psychology Lab
Neuroscience Psychology Lab
Stem Cell Lab
Bioinformatics Lab
Protein Lab
Molecular Biology Lab
All these are TH buildings! Please reduce the dependencies drastically, this isn´t fun anymore!
And then there is the issue that you can´t build a lot of buildings at all because they depend on each other in a kind of vicious circle. I have written that in the bugs forum but no one reacted...
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
I personally leave that to Hydro, Faustmouse, and MrAzure to resolve those sorts of issues.
Faustmouse
Deity
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I can see your problem and that it isn't fun if you have so many building lists. Even worse are the circles with Nanobots. I hope Hydro will find a solution for that since he has more insight in this than I do 
@Hydro:
I found a major mistake in your building designs. For example, we have a small building chain: A is required for B and B is required for C.
A requires Stone, B requires Ammunation and C requires... Nothing. That is because you say: C requires B and A, so you need to have Stone and Ammunation to get to C. But you can still build C then even if you lost access to Stone and Ammunation after building A and B!
For a less generic example, let's have a look at the "Toilet" line of buildings:
Gaderobe requires Stone and Public Restrooms requires Paper and Garderobe. Why not stones anymore? How are you supposed to build it without Stone, iE if you lost access to Stones? As it is now, it looks like it is completely build out of Paper...
Edit:
More Reviews:
Manhatten Project requires Fission but also 2 Laboratories. You can't have Laboratories before Modern Physics which requires Fission -> Manhatten Project on Fission is redundant and should be moved to Modern Physics instead. Or, what I'd like more: Make it require 2 Physics Laboratories instead. Maybe we should split Physics Laboratory into Mechanics, Electro Dynamics, Quantum Physics... like we split the Biology Lab a lot.
The Savety Achievement is bugged. Instead of creating the Achievement with Heros, you seems to create only the effect building, meaning you'd need a hero for ever city to have the effect in every city.
The Fish Market World Wonder is way too expensive for it's Requirements. It should be lowered to 50% costs instead.
@Hydro:
I found a major mistake in your building designs. For example, we have a small building chain: A is required for B and B is required for C.
A requires Stone, B requires Ammunation and C requires... Nothing. That is because you say: C requires B and A, so you need to have Stone and Ammunation to get to C. But you can still build C then even if you lost access to Stone and Ammunation after building A and B!
For a less generic example, let's have a look at the "Toilet" line of buildings:
Gaderobe requires Stone and Public Restrooms requires Paper and Garderobe. Why not stones anymore? How are you supposed to build it without Stone, iE if you lost access to Stones? As it is now, it looks like it is completely build out of Paper...
Edit:
More Reviews:
Manhatten Project requires Fission but also 2 Laboratories. You can't have Laboratories before Modern Physics which requires Fission -> Manhatten Project on Fission is redundant and should be moved to Modern Physics instead. Or, what I'd like more: Make it require 2 Physics Laboratories instead. Maybe we should split Physics Laboratory into Mechanics, Electro Dynamics, Quantum Physics... like we split the Biology Lab a lot.
The Savety Achievement is bugged. Instead of creating the Achievement with Heros, you seems to create only the effect building, meaning you'd need a hero for ever city to have the effect in every city.
The Fish Market World Wonder is way too expensive for it's Requirements. It should be lowered to 50% costs instead.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
They are NOT suppose to require each other. Just replace each other. If its the other way then you have done them wrong. Public Restrooms do not need stone, but need pipes and sewers. Which have their own requirements for materials.
Sargon made this so if its broke make sure he knows to fix it.
This is not my wonder, I think its Vokarya and I think its so expensive because it actually spawns seafood resources on the map when made. Note that even great farmers cannot make sea resources.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Ok so here we go. They are supose to replace each other, not require each other. See ...
Spoiler :
with Soap
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Sorry Double Posted.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
What ever you did so far, seems to be working, i have not had any buildings to build in my Capitol now for over 100 turns??
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
It is one of Platyping's, one that I added. It gets its cost from where it is in the tech tree and yes it does add resources to the map. It can add many! there is a 50% chance it will add a resource to each sea plot that does not have a resource on it. This means it has flow on affects to Sid's Sushi Company.
I agree that many wonders don't need to be as expensive as their place on the tech tree indicate. After the explanation above do you still think its cost should be reduced?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
What ever you did so far, seems to be working, i have not had any buildings to build in my Capitol now for over 100 turns??
I think that's more thanks to MrAzure and his adjustment to game speed, building speed and research speed.
