GCA (Yellow Destiny) Communications

To Lucky and GCA team,

Just as you predicted this war has failed to achieve any of what we hoped for. The initiative has now passed to Yellow Destiny. Considering our relative positions your efforts will likely prevail were ours could not but considering our relative positions the rewards may not be worth the effort.

We have had time now to consider our blame in this war and to reevaluate your treatment of us prior to it and would like to try resolving our differences over a chat if you would be so kind as to give us another chance.

Looking forward to meeting with you all,
1889 of CFC.
edandjane@gci.net

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To CFC,

we have not yet heard anything from you in regards to a time and date of a chat as of now.
Let us know.

GCA

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To Lucky and GCA Team,

If you want to propose a time we will try to accommodate you, but weekends are somewhat unpredictable so I like to have it on a weekday. Monday would be nice. I'm usually available (with minor interruptions) from about 1300 on (Alaska time). If I convert right that should be any time after 2100 GMT.

Also I'm signed into MSN most of the time I'm home so I'm pretty easy to catch for informal chats.

Talk to you Monday,
1889 (also my MSN ID) and Team CFC

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Well ... I have switched my IM online every evening for the past 3 days, saw you online at some times as well and waited for you to contact me. It is after all your (CFCs) initiative.
Yesterday I contacted you as well, waiting for any reply. Only to hear and see you log off 3 minutes later without a word.
To me that seems as if your (CFCs) interest in real diplomacy is as low as ever.

I may switch the IM online over the weekend and Monday (taking a day off), but would do so definitely if you propose a distinct time when you and I can make it.
Regards


Lucky
GCA

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Hi Lucky,

While I am logged in I'm not often sitting at the computer so I must have missed the little message buzzer, sorry about that. I have yet to see you (frilu@hotmail.com) logged on but it sounds like we are getting closer to a meeting. Lets give it a try this weekend. I don't know your time zone so how about 1800 GMT, thats 9 AM here in Alaska. That should work on Saturday and Sunday.

Looking forward to it,
1889

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CFC-CBR-GCA Treaty of Peace

The CFC-CBR alliance is not based on a hatred of GCA but rather a commitment to cooperation between the CFC and CBR teams. Together we apologize for our ill-advised invasion of your territory. It was the result of an ancient fear of Mongol power that fixed our course and caused us to misinterpret your actions. We have since reevaluated our past dealings and we can now see the honesty of your efforts. We endeavor now to prove our character to you.

Withdrawal
To begin with our galleys are withdrawing from your territory where they will remain both visible and unloaded as you requested.

Open Borders
You mentioned re-recognizing the border treaty, but the problem with that treaty was never a question of bad faith but a misunderstanding of the terms. I hope you will instead accept a new treaty: a simple open border treaty in which GCA units may freely enter CFC territory while CFC’s units will remain home until you see fit to once more extend your welcome to us.

Unit swapping
You also mentioned the peculiar burden that a first class military can be. It just so happens that while you may be seeking to draw yours down, a recent rash of fatalities has left us with need of a few more. If you are interested we could swap up to 2 galleys for 2 archers or spearmen each. We could also build up to 2 work boats for the resources off shore of “GCA Victory” in exchange for an axeman or chariot each.

Tech trading
Technology is a civilizations most precious resource, so while committed to not giving it away we credit you a hefty sum for an opportunity at a second chance. We offer Feudalism (1046) and Music (897) in exchange for Currency (598), except that we are not allowed to trade Music for 10 turns.

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Lucky and Gamecatcher Alliance,

Thank you for your quick response. We have carefully considered your offer and while it was not wholly agreeable we hope this counter offer gets us at least a few steps closer to an agreement.

Importance of Exchange
Our purpose with this treaty is not so much to end the war as to change the nature of our relationship with GCA. A treaty that simply grants concessions for peace fails in that respect. Such a treaty is little more than a cease fire and will most probably lead to a resumption of hostilities. That is why we feel that exchange is a critical element of lasting peace.

Separate Peace
CFC and CBR have developed a close working relationship that predates this war. Numerous weekly chats have revealed many opportunities for cooperation and exchange. The resulting alliance has brought great benefits and strong friendship. We have risked war together and we can see that that is not the way forward so we have both decided to accept the risks of friendship with a former enemy. There should be no separate peace.

Open Border
The open border proposal you offer is wholly agreeable.

Unit Swap
You said in chat that you would not be demanding units so we included these as an example of how peace and cooperation can suit us both better than continuation of hostilities. We can modify our offer by making up to 3 galleys available to you in exchange for 2 archers or spearmen each.

Tech Trades
We will also amend our tech offer to Feudalism, Music (can't trade it to you for 9 more turns) and 60 gold for Currency, an offer more than 3:1 in your favor.

Further Negotiations
I hope you will not be discouraged if there seems still a great distance between what you ask and what we offer. Another chat may be very helpful in our attempt to find agreement. (1800-2030 GMT is best but I’m around many other times as well.) We can eventually work this out through emails but it may take some time. So please consider an in game cease fire which will give us 10 turns to continue working out details. If you are not satisfied with our efforts at the ten turn limit then the war can resume.

Looking forward to your reply,
1889 and CivFanatics Team

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To team CFC:

We are pleased by your continued willingness to negotiate a lasting peace and will continue to keep the diplomatic channels open until we can hopefully find a suitable solution.

We also agree to an informal cease-fire right now (520 AD), and are likely willing to agree to an official cease-fire (in-game) once offered.
The only mutual conditions of this cease-fire are two.

1. All galleys, including newly produced ones (which can be deduced from in-game statistics), will stay unloaded in plain sight of each others territory (but not within the borders).
2. No units may assemble at the CFC-GCA sea shores (reasonable amounts of city defense excluded). This includes the withdrawel of all units from the CFC-GCA landbridge.

We hope that is acceptable, especially since you already agreed on most of these points in a different context.


Concerning the alliance with CBR. You must note a few points.

1. CBR has not contacted us in any form whatsoever in millenia.
2. CBR units continue to block city resource tiles.
3. CBR navy continues to harrass our fishing grounds and cause growth disruption on our cities.
4. CBR continues to station invasion forces directly on our borders.
These and other points paint quite a clear picture, CBR is not as interested in peace as CFC seems to be. We will react accordingly.

Due to these and prior events, we are not willing to negotiate with an entity that claims to represent both teams. Once approached, we will negotiate with each team individually.
You may continue to cooperate and of course synchronize your negotiations with us, but we will not agree to anything but individual negotiations. We urge you to keep your nations
prosperity and safety in mind first, before stepping forward for someone that so obviously does not share your current attitude as much.
If both nations put forward an attitude and willingness as you seem to do, a common peace may not be unattainable, but effort from ALL sides is required.


Concerning a CFC-GCA treaty:

All details given before are negotiable. One thing you must understand though, is that an important aspect of reestablishing relations is making a show of goodwill.
Granting Feudalism as reparations for free, would be a great show of goodwill.

To account for tech trades, we are willing to put the rather unique technology of Drama for Music, or a bag of gold and units, onto the table, possibly without any trade restrictions.
Another mutually very interesting possibility is a cooperation on luxury resources. We have now liberated our luxurious spices, and your silks continue to bloom undeveloped.
We will likely know how to harvest these resources soon, and sharing both this knowledge as well as these goods would not only please the citizens of both nations, it would also
bind our nations in a more dependent, economic way, thus increasing the risks and cost of another war.

Hopefully these possibilities show some options that can make a lasting peace treaty work well for both sides.

Regards


Gamecatcher Alliance

P.S. to 1889: Writing to the GCteam address is more than enough, thank you.

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Lucky and Yellow Destiny,

We are still working on a more complete response to your latest proposal but we can all agree to your terms for an informal cease fire (between all 3 nations) beginning 520 AD.

1. All galleys, including newly produced ones (which can be deduced from in-game statistics), will stay unloaded in plain sight of each others territory (but not within the borders).
2. No units may assemble at the CFC-GCA sea shores (reasonable amounts of city defense excluded). This includes the withdrawal of all units from the CFC-GCA land bridge.

In addition CBR has agreed to withdraw its units from your border.

We suggest this last for no less than 10 turns, which should be long enough to resolve our differences and agree to a permanent peace.

We will get back to you soon regarding you peace proposal.
1889 on behalf of Teams CBR and CFC

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We feel that Feudalism is a huge concession; we can show proof of our good will however with 60 gold. Our further good will is demonstrated by our generous tech trade offer.

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