Football Thread No. 9

MCdread said:
P.S.: 8 points dropped in less than a month? Will someone ask Fergie a few questions?
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The draw at home to Everton was the poor result. The way Wigan have been playing, it was no disgrace losing to them, and a 1-0 defeat to City, while disappointing, isn't surprising given the amount of money that's been thrown at the Man City over the last two or three years (it's like watching Football Manager being played by someone who has the cheat codes for unlimited cash). Shipping 4 at home to Everton (even though Jelavic is a talent) just underlines that United never managed to adjust to losing Vidic.
 
Hodgson is a good manager, it's a good choice, he's well suited to international football. I like the guy too, so wish him best of luck.

I suppose if you're English your one worry is that although he's always done well, he couldn't manage the egos at Liverpool and so maybe the bratchiness of Rooney, Terry, Lampard et al will be too much for him to handle. Well, if those egos ruin it for England again be sure you blame them and not the manager.
 
Peter Crouch own goal? :faint:


In the latest round of insanity from Argentina's AFA, there's a new relegation system which makes losing better than winning in some cases. I need a copy of the mathematical proof, but it starts with the last team in the yearly table being relegated and then, out of the other 19, the two worst over the average of the last three years also being relegated… :headasplode:
 
Easy. Imagine a situation where you have the third worst average record over the three years. Your relegation then depends on whether the team getting relegated is one of the teams with the two records worse than you.

Now if your opponent has one of the records which are worse than yours, you don't want them to finish on bottom because then they're not in the calculations for the two floating relegation spots. It would potentially be helpful to let them win so they stay off the bottom, as long as their record will still be worse than yours. You want some other team having an uncharacteristically poor year and currently also near the bottom of the table, to finish bottom.

Imagine a last week of matches where beating your opponent which has a worse 3 year record would push/keep them last and automatically relegated. You don't want that, because you would then be one of the two worst other teams. It would be better to lose, to allow your opponents to win and lift off the bottom. Then a team which isn't in "worst over three years" contention will get the automatic relegation. Your opponent, who just beat you, would therefore take your place as one of the two worst other teams. You've saved your spot by losing in the last week.

Your opponent of course is relegated either way.
 
Three goals by Messi so far, up to 68 in all competitions, taking him away from Cristina Ronalda and breaking Gerd Müller's record!

And Newcastle lead at Stamford Bridge while Spuds do the same at Bolton at half-time.
Arwon said:
Easy. Imagine a situation where you have the third worst average record over the three years. Your relegation then depends on whether the team getting relegated is one of the teams with the two records worse than you.

Now if your opponent has one of the records which are worse than yours, you don't want them to finish on bottom because then they're not in the calculations for the two floating relegation spots. It would potentially be helpful to let them win so they stay off the bottom, as long as their record will still be worse than yours. You want some other team having an uncharacteristically poor year and currently also near the bottom of the table, to finish bottom.

Imagine a last week of matches where beating your opponent which has a worse 3 year record would push/keep them last and automatically relegated. You don't want that, because you would then be one of the two worst other teams. It would be better to lose, to allow your opponents to win and lift off the bottom. Then a team which isn't in "worst over three years" contention will get the automatic relegation. Your opponent, who just beat you, would therefore take your place as one of the two worst other teams. You've saved your spot by losing in the last week.

Your opponent of course is relegated either way.
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:cringe: This is further complicated by the fact that the average consists of the last three years, if you've spent them in that division. If in those three years you were promoted and then came back down the points from the promotion season are counted, but if you were relegated and then promoted they don't count. See the tables for 2006-07 and 2007-08 here:
Spoiler :
[pre] Relegation Table 04-05 05-06 06-07 TOTAL GP AVG
1 Boca Juniors 48 83 82 214 114 1,877
2 Estudiantes (La Plata) 61 52 80 194 114 1,702
3 River Plate 60 62 71 193 114 1,693
4 Vélez Sarsfield 73 58 56 187 114 1,640
5 San Lorenzo de Almagro 52 56 73 181 114 1,588
6 Lanús 54 58 58 171 114 1,500
7 Gimnasia y Esgrima (La Plata) 54 69 40 163 114 1,430
8 Independiente 49 55 57 161 114 1,412
9 Arsenal 54 44 61 160 114 1,404
10 Rosario Central 61 45 52 158 114 1,386
11 Banfield 59 59 39 157 114 1,377
12 Racing Club 58 44 49 151 114 1,325
13 Newell's Old Boys 60 51 35 146 114 1,281
14 Colón (Santa Fe) 53 46 46 145 114 1,272
15 Gimnasia y Esgrima (Jujuy) - 51 43 94 76 1,237
16 Argentinos Juniors 43 50 46 139 114 1,219
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17 Nueva Chicago - - 43 43 38 1,132 Relegation Playoff
18 Godoy Cruz - - 42 42 38 1,105 Relegation Playoff
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19 Belgrano - - 41 41 38 1,079 Relegated
20 Quilmes 44 39 21 104 114 0,912 Relegated

Relegation Table 06-07 07-08 08-09 TOTAL GP AVG
1 Boca Juniors 83 70 61 214 114 1.877
2 Estudiantes (La Plata) 81 69 57 207 114 1.816
3 San Lorenzo de Almagro 73 64 63 200 114 1.754
4 Lanús 59 56 75 190 114 1.667
5 Vélez Sarsfield 56 59 66 181 114 1.588
6 River Plate 71 66 41 178 114 1.561
7 Tigre (Victoria) 0 56 62 118 76 1.553
8 Huracán (Buenos Aires) 0 52 58 110 76 1.447
9 Arsenal 62 51 46 159 114 1.395
10 Independiente 57 59 39 155 114 1.360
11 Colón (Santa Fe) 46 45 57 148 114 1.298
12 Godoy Cruz (Godoy Cruz) 0 0 49 49 38 1.289
13 Argentinos Juniors 46 61 38 145 114 1.272
14 Newell's Old Boys 35 56 52 143 114 1.254
15 Racing Club 49 40 52 141 114 1.237
16 Banfield 39 54 46 139 114 1.219
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17 Rosario Central 52 41 40 133 114 1.167 Relegation Playoff
18 Gimnasia y Esgrima (La Plata) 40 36 55 131 114 1.149 Relegation Playoff
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19 San Martín (Tucumán) 0 0 40 40 38 1.053 Relegated
20 Gimnasia y Esgrima (Jujuy) 43 35 38 116 114 1.018 Relegated[/pre]

The averages don't reflect the truth at all. This ahs further been twisted by having a new rule where a team that has been relegated can't be relegated again the following season. So all the teams relegated last year suffer this year and they'll be capable of beign relegated next year but teams relegated in the next couple months will enjoy a free ride in 2012-13.
classical_hero said:
A youth cup called the Carling Cup? Not much of a trophy.
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The one cup that Fergie's boys didn't win in '99, so Sellik remains the best performers ever in a European football season.
 
Do Newcastle have a rich investor now or how come they are that good this season?
 
First goal from Papiss Cisse was special, but the second was a wonder goal.
 
kronic said:
Do Newcastle have a rich investor now or how come they are that good this season?
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Over the last 4 seasons Newcastle have made a profit in transfer market, getting Liverpool to pay 35m for Caroll helped.
 
Fiorentina's coach attacks his own player...


Link to video.

Elsewhere, with the appointment of Roy Hodgson the curse on Spurs is lifted and they've started winning again. Maybe they'll still qualify for the CL.
Chelsea now have to win it to be in it next season.

As for Messi: :worship:
Real Madrid are 2-0 up in Bilbao after the 1st half though, so they should clinch it tonight.

Finally Juve drew at home against 18th place Lecce who were 1-0 down and playing with 10 men after the 53rd minute. What a wasted opportunity. Only 1 point ahead now with a tricky trip to Cagliari next weekend.
 
Real Madrid celebrating last night


Link to video.

San Mames did not have a good behaviour to Cristiano Ronaldo last night (with very strong language) and he answered with prepotency and haughtiness
 
Takhisis said:
In the latest round of insanity from Argentina's AFA, there's a new relegation system which makes losing better than winning in some cases. I need a copy of the mathematical proof, but it starts with the last team in the yearly table being relegated and then, out of the other 19, the two worst over the average of the last three years also being relegated… :headasplode:
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Another bit of insanity, here is the current top of the table in the Netherlands, with one match left to play:

1 Ajax 73
2 Feyenoord 67
3 PSV 66
4 sc Heerenveen 64
5 AZ 62
6 FC Twente 60

Ajax is the champion. The #2 spot gives access to the CL qualifiers. PSV has won the cup, so they are automatically qualified for the Europa League. However, if they end second, this spot goes to Heracles, the cup runner up.

If PSV ends second, #3,4,5 get to play in the Europa League. If PSV doesn't end second, #2,3,4 and Heracles play Europa League.

Heerenveen plays against Feyenoord in the last match. If they win, they're at least fourth, so they qualify. (Feyenoord has a goal difference that's 11 better, so if PSV loses and Heerenveen wins 6-0, they will go into the CL qualifiers!) If Heerenveen loses, Feyenoord (not PSV!) is #2 and Heerenveen is #4, so they qualify for EL as well. However, if Feyenoord and Heerenveen draw, PSV wins and AZ wins, Heerenveen ends as #5 without Europa League.

So whatever they do, Heerenveen must prevent a draw!
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/03/german-players-premier-league

one of the more ridiculous football articles i've read...

There have been a few good German players of course – Jürgen Klinsmann, Christian Ziege, Uwe Rösler, Didi Hamann, Michael Ballack, and Jens Lehmann spring to mind – but not enough, and not the very best.
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jürgen klinsmann was THE star striker of the german national team, ziege and hamann were vital parts of it during their time, michael ballack was their freaking captain during his time at chelsea and jens lehmann undisputedly was their goalkeeper after kahn ended his career.

next season two high-profile German players from the same league will be playing over here. First, Chelsea announced that they are signing Marko Marin from Werder Bremen and then, on Tuesday, Lukas Podolski confirmed that he is moving to Arsenal in the summer from Köln.
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poldi didnt make it under the pressure that comes with playing at bayern munich, ran back home crying to mummy köln and subsequently had a few average seasons there.

marko marin looked a tad promising once and now the question is what the hell chelsea are getting an average player from an average german club for if not the bench.

both players are on the fringe of the national team.
both players are very clearly lower profile players of lower quality than the ones mentioned above, so what the hell is this tripe about?
 
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